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#1301 RETAC21

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 1503 PM

 

 

How would a base in Greenland make sense without a Sino-Soviet alliance in place?

 
To a Nazi-Sino alliance, it would be a boost!
 
Greenland is never going to be a significant base for anything due to the weather and the terrain.
To operate flying saucers from?

Joking aside, Thule was a pretty significant air base with a deepwater harbour - allegedly the Northernmost in the World.

https://en.m.wikiped.../Thule_Air_Base

 

 

It was comparatively big, but only as a deployment base. Deploying and maintaining aircraft there must be a nightmare.


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#1302 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 0219 AM

https://www.portsmou...a-sea-1-8559896 QUESTIONS over whether Britain should send a future fleet of Royal Navy ships to the South China Sea have been raised in the House of Lords.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire said committing a fleet to the region would put a strain on the navy’s ability to protect the seas around the UK.

 

The Lib Dem peer said: ‘We require virtually half of the British navy to commit to keeping three ships in the South China Sea. If we follow the Foreign Secretary’s promise – as we always do – and send an aircraft carrier with a full complement of support ships east of the Malacca Straits, with aircraft on board the carrier, that would be half of the British navy already.

 

‘Probably most of the British navy would be committed to the South China Sea. Is that really a strategic priority over the defence of our waters and the seas around Europe?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​’

 

However, Admiral Lord Alan West – former head of the navy – hit back and said it was vital Britain patrolled the region as trillions of pounds of trade passes through it.


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#1303 KV7

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 0231 AM

https://www.portsmou...a-sea-1-8559896 QUESTIONS over whether Britain should send a future fleet of Royal Navy ships to the South China Sea have been raised in the House of Lords.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire said committing a fleet to the region would put a strain on the navy’s ability to protect the seas around the UK.

 

The Lib Dem peer said: ‘We require virtually half of the British navy to commit to keeping three ships in the South China Sea. If we follow the Foreign Secretary’s promise – as we always do – and send an aircraft carrier with a full complement of support ships east of the Malacca Straits, with aircraft on board the carrier, that would be half of the British navy already.

 

‘Probably most of the British navy would be committed to the South China Sea. Is that really a strategic priority over the defence of our waters and the seas around Europe?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​’

 

However, Admiral Lord Alan West – former head of the navy – hit back and said it was vital Britain patrolled the region as trillions of pounds of trade passes through it.

 

This is a completely cooked plan.


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#1304 JasonJ

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 0705 AM

Tokyo. Japan will send a large helicopter carrier to the South China Sea and Indian Ocean for a second straight year as it looks to bolster its presence in the strategic maritime region with annual tours, two Japanese officials said.

"This is part Japan's efforts to promote a free and open Indo-Pacific," said one of the officials, who has direct knowledge of the plan for a two-month tour beginning in September.

The 248 meter-long Kaga, which can operate several helicopters simultaneously, will make stops in Southeast Asian countries such as Indonesia and at ports in India and Sri Lanka, said the sources who asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to speak to the media.

The Kaga, which will be accompanied by an escort ship, may also conduct ad hoc joint drills with warships from other counties in the region, they said.

Japan last year sent its sister ship, the Izumo, on a similar tour of the contested South China Sea and the Indian Ocean.

A spokesman for Japan's Maritime Self Defense Force said he was unable to comment on future operations.

Japan's growing visibility in those waters reflects concern it shares with the United States over China's military presence in a region through which trade routes pass that are vital to the Japanese and US economies.

China, which says its intentions are peaceful, claims most of the South China and has built bases on reefs and shoals it has reclaimed. China has also increased naval operations in the Indian Ocean.

The United States holds regular air and naval patrols in the South China Sea, saying it has to ensure freedom of navigation.

In May, it changed the name of its military Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii to Indo-Pacific Command to signal a broader regional strategy that has been promoted by Japan and Australia, stretching from the Western Pacific to the Indian Ocean.

Japan has not taken part in the US freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea because doing so could provoke China which could increase its military presence in the East China Sea where the rivals are locked in a dispute over ownership of uninhabited islets known as the Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.

Tension

Amid growing tension over trade and Chinese suspicion of US intentions toward self-governing Taiwan, Chinese President Xi Jinping in June told US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis that China was committed to peace but would not yield "even one inch" of territory handed down by its ancestors.

Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei also claim parts of the South China Sea, which has rich fishing grounds, as well as oil and gas deposits. Taiwan also claims the sea but Japan has no claim to any part of it.

In the Indian Ocean, tension between China and India has flared over China's growing presence in the Maldives, which despite long-standing political and security ties with India has signed up to China's Belt and Road initiative to build trade and transport links across Asia and beyond.

In order for Japan to take a wider regional role, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's government has stretched the limits of a post-war pacifist constitution by sending warships, planes and troops on overseas missions.

The Kaga, which is as big as any aircraft carrier operated by the Japanese Imperial Navy in World War II, is designated as a destroyer to keep it within the bounds of those constitutional restraints.

Based in Kure in western Japan, the Kaga was commissioned in March last year and its primary mission is anti-submarine warfare. Its tour of the South China Sea and Indian Ocean follows a two-month trip to the region from May by the Osumi, an amphibious transport ship.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 2144 PM

https://www.portsmou...a-sea-1-8559896 QUESTIONS over whether Britain should send a future fleet of Royal Navy ships to the South China Sea have been raised in the House of Lords.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire said committing a fleet to the region would put a strain on the navy’s ability to protect the seas around the UK.

 

The Lib Dem peer said: ‘We require virtually half of the British navy to commit to keeping three ships in the South China Sea. If we follow the Foreign Secretary’s promise – as we always do – and send an aircraft carrier with a full complement of support ships east of the Malacca Straits, with aircraft on board the carrier, that would be half of the British navy already.

 

‘Probably most of the British navy would be committed to the South China Sea. Is that really a strategic priority over the defence of our waters and the seas around Europe?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​’

 

However, Admiral Lord Alan West – former head of the navy – hit back and said it was vital Britain patrolled the region as trillions of pounds of trade passes through it.

 

 

I thought the plan was to build 12 T45s so that there would be enough escorts to deploy at least one carrier without using up the entire navy to escort it. Oh no, hang on, I thought the idea was that the UK would work with the EU navies and use their air warfare frigates to build multinational EU battlegroups. Oh wait, that's not going to happen now, is it? So what is the plan exactly?


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#1306 Simon Tan

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 2311 PM

BritaIn needs to stop pretending it is a global power and get back to being a country. Madness.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 0338 AM

BritaIn needs to stop pretending it is a global power and get back to being a country. Madness.

 

Maybe they could get the US to loan them some escorts. After all, given that they chose to go with AEGIS instead of some European system, they should be able to interoperate easily.


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#1308 RETAC21

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 0451 AM

BritaIn needs to stop pretending it is a global power and get back to being a country. Madness.

 

It nearly was, but then Croatia intervened...


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#1309 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 1612 PM

BritaIn needs to stop pretending it is a global power and get back to being a country. Madness.


This. 👍👍👍
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#1310 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 1613 PM


BritaIn needs to stop pretending it is a global power and get back to being a country. Madness.

 
Maybe they could get the US to loan them some escorts. After all, given that they chose to go with AEGIS instead of some European system, they should be able to interoperate easily.

???????
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 1821 PM

 

 

BritaIn needs to stop pretending it is a global power and get back to being a country. Madness.

 
Maybe they could get the US to loan them some escorts. After all, given that they chose to go with AEGIS instead of some European system, they should be able to interoperate easily.

???????

 

 

Poor attempt at sarcasm.


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#1312 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 1846 PM

OK 😁
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Posted 16 July 2018 - 1055 AM

How many times have the Chinese threatened commercial shipping passing through the disputed area?

Sure, send your navies there, waste your money, start a shooting war. Why not?


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Posted 19 July 2018 - 1225 PM

How many times have the Chinese threatened commercial shipping passing through the disputed area?

Sure, send your navies there, waste your money, start a shooting war. Why not?

 

 

The Nine Dash Line simply isn't our problem. Unless you're wanting to fish or extract oil and gas, it's nobody's problem.


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Posted 04 August 2018 - 0815 AM

Vietnam started to drill for gas in SCS with Russia, although using Japanese made drilling equipment. Vietnam and Japan to start construction of a drilling site, repotedly by Reuters to be just outside of the 9 dash line area but a CSIS think-tank thinks this may still actually be inside the 9 dash line. Vietnam had plans to drill with the Spanish but PRC pressure caused its cancellation back in March.

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https://www.maritime...ling#gs.6AIU1vg

https://twitter.com/...768566384570368

https://www.reuters....g-idUSKBN1KM3SO

https://www.rosneft....ws/item/190909/


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Posted 04 August 2018 - 1510 PM

The joint PRC/Republic of China 9 dash line claim certainly appears to be Hanoi's problem, which is not a surprise considering the North Vietnamese version of the 9 dash line in the SCS extends 2500 kilometers or more off the Democratic People's Republic of Vietnam's coastline in places.

 

Complicating matters somewhat for Hanoi is the awkward matter of which side the North Vietnamese government and millions of patriotic North Vietnamese fought and died for during the Cold War.

 

Hanoi trying to bring Russia onside on its behalf in the SCS would be more historically appropriate. Trying to bring Washington onside sounds like the makings of a future Vietnamese folk song about how one generation of North Vietnamese warriors fought and defeated Halberstam's best and the brightest, and how another convinced the sons and daughters of the best and the brightest to protect their spoils of victory (the entire territory of the Republic of South Vietnam) for them a generation later.

 

The North Vietnamese would probably make that song their national anthem.


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Posted 06 August 2018 - 0618 AM

Russia and the Philippines looking into deeper naval cooperation.

The Philippine and Russian navies are in talks for “deeper security cooperation,” which includes the acquisition by the Philippines of submarines.
 
The talks were the highlight of a meeting on July 29 between Vice Adm. Robert Empedrad, Philippine Navy commander, and Adm. Vladimir Ivanovich Korolev, Russian Navy chief, at the Russian Navy Day celebration in St. Petersburg.
 
In a statement released on Saturday by the Philippine Navy Public Affairs Office, spokesperson Jonathan Zaka quoted Korolev as giving his “commitment to support the upgrade program of the Philippine Navy in terms of training, maintenance” and future acquisitions that included submarines.
 
Shipyard visit
 
The Philippine Navy delegation, led by Empedrad, also visited Russia’s Admiralty Shipyard, where submarines were being built.
 
Korolev also brought up the idea of the two navies conducting joint humanitarian assistance and disaster response training, the Philippine Navy statement said.
 
The Russian Navy chief also brought up the possibility of more visits from Russian ships to the Philippines and vice versa.
 
A Philippine Navy ship was expected to make a port call in Vladivostok.
 
Three warships from Russia have made a port call in Manila in June.
 
In attendance at this year’s Russian Navy Day parade was Russian President Vladimir Putin.
 
The Navy chief of China, Vice Adm. Shen Jinlong, was also there.
 
26 new ships
 
Russia introduced 26 new ships during its parade, meant as a show of strength.
 
Four warships would have Kalibr cruise missiles, Putin said.
 
Kalibr missiles fired from Russian ships in the Mediterranean and the Caspian have been used as part of Moscow’s help for Syrian dictator Bashar Assad.
 
During the parade, Putin reviewed a spectacular annual naval display on Neva River in St. Petersburg with 39 warships carrying out maneuvers.
 
Putin told the 4,000 servicemen who took part in the parade that the Russian Navy “is making a weighty contribution to the fight against international terrorism.”
 
“Of course we will continue measures aimed at strengthening and developing the Navy,” Putin said. —WITH A REPORT FROM AFP

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Posted 07 August 2018 - 1237 PM

Russian naval vessels of any configuration operating in the East China Sea would be historically well advised to maintain their alert posture. Units of the Japanese Navy will be in the vicinity.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 1533 PM

https://www.mirror.c...-shots-13063653

Hmmm...


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Posted 13 August 2018 - 0809 AM

Nothing new. Though I note the article is titled with 'warning shots', where as the content clearly states they were given six verbal warnings instead.
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