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#21 Colin

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0039 AM

This are the same army that stuck with that horrible engine in the Chieftain. 


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#22 bojan

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0607 AM

In their defense there were advantages for L60 in Chieftain compared to other solutions. There was zero advantages for L85 when it was introduced compared to any other 5.56 rifle.

If they really wanted bullpup Brits should have adopted FAMAS :D


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#23 Chris Werb

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0716 AM

In their defense there were advantages for L60 in Chieftain compared to other solutions. There was zero advantages for L85 when it was introduced compared to any other 5.56 rifle.

If they really wanted bullpup Brits should have adopted FAMAS :D

 

That would have led us down another evolutionary dead end :)

 

Late edit: What is really annoying is that we were a (very) early adopter of the AR15. 


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0934 AM

It worked unlike L85 and "dead end" does not really matter if you replace rifles every 20-30 years anyway, as you should. Or Steyr AUG, available since 1977, since you were dead set on bullpup back then.


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#25 Chris Werb

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0953 AM

It worked unlike L85 and "dead end" does not really matter if you replace rifles every 20-30 years anyway, as you should. Or Steyr AUG, available since 1977, since you were dead set on bullpup back then.

 

Well, the Falkland Islands Defence Force were offered the L85 and went for the AUG and still have it in service - albeit they are only now transitioning to the L85A2. They still get to choose some of their own kit. 

 

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0958 AM

As far as bullpups go, there are more "boutique" options:

 

https://cart.deserttech.com/mdr/#mdr


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#27 Chris Werb

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 1216 PM

As far as bullpups go, there are more "boutique" options:

 

https://cart.deserttech.com/mdr/#mdr

 

In Range TV's evaluation of an early example nearly sank the project, but Desert Tech went away and rapidly fixed the problems. .


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 1726 PM

 

As far as bullpups go, there are more "boutique" options:
 
https://cart.deserttech.com/mdr/#mdr

 
In Range TV's evaluation of an early example nearly sank the project, but Desert Tech went away and rapidly fixed the problems. .

 


Pity the owners' family is implicated in some dodgy social security fraud.


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#29 Panzermann

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0834 AM

Not only social security fraud, but they seem to be a family of an odd Mormon offshoot sect.

 

It worked unlike L85 and "dead end" does not really matter if you replace rifles every 20-30 years anyway, as you should. Or Steyr AUG, available since 1977, since you were dead set on bullpup back then.

 
 
FAMAS shares its fate with the Transall and Roland and other discontinued systems, a lack of investment and a lost manufacturing base. If there had been more big buyers of the FAMAS outside France there would probably still be a factory for it. But wiht all the reductions in the nineties and the French Army kicking modernizations and simply overhauls down the road...
 
 
The story of the Falkalnd Regiment adopting the Steyr AUG is a funny one. London gave them the order toreplace their old L1 SLRs with a bullpup rifle (implying the SA80 rifles, but not directly saying it). Instead they bought FAMAS, AUG and SA80 rifles and made their own tests and picked the AUG in the end. Makes me wonder why they do not just buy either replacements from Steyr again or just get a repair and overhaul.

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#30 Chris Werb

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 0353 AM

They are moving to the L85 to have commonality with our garrison there.
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#31 Simon Tan

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0036 AM

Steyr's implosion a decade ago prolly freaked them out.
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#32 shep854

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0811 AM

Steyr's implosion a decade ago prolly freaked them out.

Did they consider the Ozzie upgraded AUG?


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#33 Chris Werb

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 1421 PM

 

Steyr's implosion a decade ago prolly freaked them out.

Did they consider the Ozzie upgraded AUG?

 

 

I don't know, but it does make sense to have the same kit as the garrison where possible to piggyback off their logistics. The Falkands are in the middle of nowhere after all.


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#34 shep854

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0730 AM

 

 

Steyr's implosion a decade ago prolly freaked them out.

Did they consider the Ozzie upgraded AUG?

 

 

I don't know, but it does make sense to have the same kit as the garrison where possible to piggyback off their logistics. The Falkands are in the middle of nowhere after all.

 

Agreed.  


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