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#1 Chris Werb

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 1655 PM

Check out the British WW2 awesomeness 2:30 into this video.  I hadn't seen the 105mm field gun shown later in the video before either.


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Posted 05 June 2019 - 1732 PM

IIRC Thailand acquired some of those, but name escapes me.


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Posted 05 June 2019 - 1826 PM

The SPAAG or the field gun?
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Posted 05 June 2019 - 1831 PM

Was it me or did the 3.7" look like the cruciform base was broken or not assembled properly?


And yeah, that 2 pounder Pop-pom used in the land role seems like a nifty thing but the smaller quantity of powder probably limited it's AT effectiveness. 


The 105mm's carriage seems VERY WWI in form 


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0032 AM

Check out the British WW2 awesomeness 2:30 into this video.  I hadn't seen the 105mm field gun shown later in the video before either.

Vicker 6 ton chassis, likley a prototype for the interwar exercises. Good find, i am playing out a scenario in my head where I fund armour development in Canada 1935-1939. Starting with the Vicker 6 ton> A10>Valentine the last two equipped with a 6 pdr. I was toying with the idea of a APC based on the Vickers 6-ton. Now I have more to chew on. One of the AT guns they mention as a 2pdr I think was actually a 25mm, as i recall the UK had some prior to the 2 pdr coming into service. Notice they don't talk much about the 2 pdr or the Boyes AT, guess they are still semi-secret. 


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0133 AM

I was pretty sure it was a 1 pounder pom pom which would be pretty useless as an AT weapon too for the reason you state. The carriage on the 105mm however looks more WW2 to me due to the split trail design.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0136 AM

Yes, there's something wrong with the base on the 3.7. I was pretty sure it was a 1 pounder pom pom which would be pretty useless as an AT weapon too for the reason you state. The carriage on the 105mm however looks more WW2 to me due to the split trail design.
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0157 AM

The105 looks very French...i'll check books when home.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0312 AM

The first AT gun appears to be the French 25mm, and it was tractor borne because if it was towed it fell apart.

 

The 3.7in gun did not have its stakes driven into the ground.

 

And I loved the idea of the Bren being used as secondary armament of a Bofors.

 

I suspect that this film is either not from 1940, more likely 1937 or so. If was from 1940, it is more likely to be a deliberate attempt to disguise exactly what the Brits had available, ie, only the briefest oblique mention of the 2pdr, nothing of the 25pdr and the 9.2in coastal guns had better protection by 1939, The 9.2in howitzer being a WW1 weapon, widely understood to be outdated.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0629 AM

The SPAAG or the field gun?

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0631 AM

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And I loved the idea of the Bren being used as secondary armament of a Bofors.

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Training aide, mostly for practising shooting at ground target.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0635 AM

The105 looks very French...i'll check books when home.

Also possibly one of the 1920/30s Vickers 105mm guns. They varied from a L/22 howitzer to a IIRC L/40 high velocity gun, but I don't know anything more.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0843 AM

"The first AT gun appears to be the French 25mm, and it was tractor borne because if it was towed it fell apart"--DougRichards

Those cartridges did look a bit...dainty. :P

What caught my eye during the Bren demo at about 5:00 was the A-gunner using the spare barrel to steady himself as he climbed out of the ditch.

That pom-pom should be dandy for dealing with infantry.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0847 AM

 

The105 looks very French...i'll check books when home.

Also possibly one of the 1920/30s Vickers 105mm guns. They varied from a L/22 howitzer to a IIRC L/40 high velocity gun, but I don't know anything more.

 

 

There was a Vickers BL 4.1in howitzer produced in 1931, with a box trail, and tested on Salisbury Plain, but as usual money played a part and it was decided that it was better to spend the pounds on one gun-howitzer rather than a gun and a howitzer.  There were two split trail mountings considered, one from Woolwich and one from Vickers, Both were considered unwieldy, but caused the box trail from the earlier 4.1in (ie 105mm) to be revived for the 3.45in (ie 25pdr) gun.  Source - Hogg. 

 

The howitzer in the film appears to be one of the latter split trail mountings, which would also tend to show that the film was not of 1940 vintage, those particular pieces of footage probably being from 1935.  Also note that no cartridge is ejected from the split trail weapon, which may indicate that this is a BL rather than a QF weapon.

 

The tracked tractors being used for some of the 18pdrs (not all, some having wheeled tractors) appear to be Vickers Light Dragons, which were out of service by 1938, never being more than an experimental type with some field service.


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 1022 AM

Check out the British WW2 awesomeness 2:30 into this video.


How cute. It's a baby Nashorn. :)
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 1518 PM

The105 looks very French...i'll check books when home.

 

I thought it might be the Mle 36, but French 105s had a round breech ring, not square.  


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 1719 PM

I knew we put early 17 pounders on the 25 pounder carriage, but this is the first time I have seen a film of them.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=KosCsRbAADg


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 1110 AM

The105 looks very French...i'll check books when home.

 

No, sorry, not French


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 0757 AM

Can anyone identify the dates of the uniforms?  Particularly the large peaked caps with white tops of the gunners?  They definitely do not seem 'at war' 1940.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1138 AM

Can anyone identify the dates of the uniforms?  Particularly the large peaked caps with white tops of the gunners?  They definitely do not seem 'at war' 1940.

 

They look like naval personnel in the film in the OP to me. considering they are shooting a QF 2 pdr. on that tracked vehicle, it would have made sense to utilize a RN gun crew already trained in its use.


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