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Posted 06 November 2017 - 1921 PM

Want confusing? Try the head f*<k associated with a placard for a worst Korean-built AK chambered in 7.62 x 39mm NATO. Did my head in.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 2022 PM

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 2053 PM

Ack. M13 link. Trying to upload pics, but connecting to imgur is a bit tricky here for some reason.

ETA: https://imgur.com/gallery/Nt6X5

Link to my album.

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Posted 06 November 2017 - 2304 PM

http://dspace.dsto.d...-GD-0003 PR.pdf

Studies on muzzle devices.
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Posted 06 November 2017 - 2313 PM

Id like to shoot it alongside a plain 7.62x54R PKM for comparison.
Many of the PKMs in alNusra etc. are Bulgy.
As for muzzle devices, a blast diverter seems like a good choice. Not quite a can but giving decentvflash suppression and keeping everyone less concussed is great.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 0335 AM

The MG-M2 pushes the round through M13 disintegrating links. The guy showing me requested that I dont take pics of the interior. Certainly looked different from any other PKM Ive used.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 0542 AM

Id like to shoot it alongside a plain 7.62x54R PKM for comparison.
Many of the PKMs in alNusra etc. are Bulgy.
As for muzzle devices, a blast diverter seems like a good choice. Not quite a can but giving decentvflash suppression and keeping everyone less concussed is great.

 

Simon. I follow and agree with your observation that pull out takes less energy than push through. What I find strange in that regard is that weapons using push through have such weak looking return springs - the M60 is a prime example.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 0609 AM

Too strong and you cannot charge. And high cyclic.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 0642 AM

Too strong and you cannot charge. And high cyclic.

 

I get that, but have you seen the M60's return spring? It looks like something you might find in a ball point pen.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 0656 AM

While I had very limited time on M53 (MG42) I actually found right side feed to be easier to load, since you could use dominant hand for it. Left stayed on a stock pulling it to the shoulder. Also right hand side looked like it is more convenient for carrying gun around (never carried M53 so could not compare).


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 0755 AM

The MG-M2 pushes the round through M13 disintegrating links. The guy showing me requested that I dont take pics of the interior. Certainly looked different from any other PKM Ive used.

 

Thanks. :)

 

Makes me wonder why, the Poles did opt for staying with pull out.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 1206 PM

 

Straight feed or PK's original two-stage feed?


the receiver looks unchanged, just with the mirrored feed mechanism. So I guess it is still pulling out the the cartridges instead of pushing through.

 

That would be civilized.

 

The MG-M2 pushes the round through M13 disintegrating links. The guy showing me requested that I dont take pics of the interior. Certainly looked different from any other PKM Ive used.

This - less so :P


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 1251 PM

 

The MG-M2 pushes the round through M13 disintegrating links. The guy showing me requested that I dont take pics of the interior. Certainly looked different from any other PKM Ive used.

 

Thanks. :)

 

Makes me wonder why, the Poles did opt for staying with pull out.

 

 

The M13 link has the retension tab on the right side of the cartridge, so one cannot use the same type of extractor arms as on the PK/PKM.

Perhaps all the good solutions to work around that issue is patented.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 1428 PM

Russian example as recently seen in Syria:

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 1608 PM


 

Straight feed or PK's original two-stage feed?

the receiver looks unchanged, just with the mirrored feed mechanism. So I guess it is still pulling out the the cartridges instead of pushing through.
 
That would be civilized.
 

The MG-M2 pushes the round through M13 disintegrating links. The guy showing me requested that I dont take pics of the interior. Certainly looked different from any other PKM Ive used.

This - less so :P

Too funny. Was trying to remember the designation for the old German non-disintegrating link (DM1? DM11?) - whether thatd work would be interesting.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 1929 PM

https://imgur.com/gallery/Yer6H

Interesting take on multi-role guns. Worst Korea MAG/240 clone that has tool-less removal of the spade grip, which allows the extension of the collapsed, para-style butt stock.
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Posted 07 November 2017 - 2323 PM


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 0027 AM

Id like to shoot it alongside a plain 7.62x54R PKM for comparison.
Many of the PKMs in alNusra etc. are Bulgy.
As for muzzle devices, a blast diverter seems like a good choice. Not quite a can but giving decentvflash suppression and keeping everyone less concussed is great.

 

Like a Linear Compensator?  From what I understand it helps direct blast forward away from the crew, but doesn't that strobe the enemy your location even more?


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 0121 AM

Not if you combine it with a vortex management interior, like a 2 baffle can.


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