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#121 shep854

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 0844 AM

Point for Sig:

http://www.thefirear...e-mhs-triggers/

MHS M17 ALREADY Fixed P320 Drop Failure Issue; “Voluntary Upgrade” Pistols Will Receive MHS Triggers


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#122 Ivanhoe

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 1103 AM

I find it very surprising that a country that has such a huge civilian firearm userbase and supporting industry and has done for well over a century has foisted its military with so many outmoded, ill conceived or downright crap firearm designs.


What we did was foist our military with two buildings full of lawyers (the Capitol building and the PentagramPentagon). The rest is history (and national debt).


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#123 Simon Tan

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 1820 PM

no. SIG Sauer knew the problem and chose to keep stumm.
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Posted 10 August 2017 - 0511 AM

no. SIG Sauer knew the problem and chose to keep stumm.

 

they should have put out the not-a-recall earlier.

 

more on SIGSauer's take with slides etc:

http://soldiersystem...y-p320-upgrade/


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 0508 AM

The aftermarket is already at it and puts the trigger and slide of a P320 in a new packaging:
 
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Posted 06 September 2017 - 0935 AM

Roni 2.0 and better


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 2325 PM

Nyet.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 1612 PM

Ejection testing.

http://www.guns.com/...n-seats-photos/


Air Force testing M17 pistol safety with ejection seats (PHOTOS)

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 0121 AM

DOT&E report:

http://www.dote.osd....rmy/2017mhs.pdf
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Posted 27 January 2018 - 1255 PM

I have never heard of a double ejection. How does such a thing happen?
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Posted 27 January 2018 - 1441 PM

I have never heard of a double ejection. How does such a thing happen?

Sounds like a magazine problem. Poorly formed feed-lips might throw the following round out the ejection port, following the fired case. I would think there could also be a double-feed issue

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 2025 PM

Unbelievable. Pistols are now "weapons systems".  No wonder we can't buy anything quickly nor cheaply.

The program to introduce a new handgun, which resulted with the M1911 being adapted in 1911, started in 1889.


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 2048 PM

Difference ofc being that 1989-1911 was time where new technology was for all purposes appearing every year.

Today, can anyone say with a straight face that troops with M17 will have any real world advantage over troops with M9 or Glock or any other "wonder 9"?


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 2242 PM

Until we come up with something better than propelling metal bits with burning chemicals, we are pretty much on a plateau, tinkering around the edges.

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 0308 AM

Difference ofc being that 1989-1911 was time where new technology was for all purposes appearing every year.

Today, can anyone say with a straight face that troops with M17 will have any real world advantage over troops with M9 or Glock or any other "wonder 9"?

 

It's lighter than an M9, and probably more reliable.  Not that an out-of-the-box M17 is meaningfully more reliable than an out-of-the-box M9.  It's just that a lot of the M9s in service, and especially their magazines, are worn out.  Getting new pistols, any new pistols is an improvement.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 0909 AM

So why not just get new built M9s instead of going through bureaucratic hell?


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 0917 AM

So why not just get new built M9s instead of going through bureaucratic hell?

 

The whole point of bureaucratic hell is that it prevents anyone from going around it.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 1302 PM

So why not just get new built M9s instead of going through bureaucratic hell?

 

That is what Beretta offered with their M9 A3 and A2 proposals to the US Army. The A3 being the baby poo painted new manufactured pistol with rail etc. The A2 was a proposed overhaul of the old in service M9 pistols with new replacement springs, magazines and the new and improved locking piece of the M9 A3. Beretta also has developed a weld on piece with rail for the plain M9. The new parts of the A3 drop right in and are interchangeable.

 

 

But someone wanted a new fancy plastic gun, so they get a new fancy plastic gun. On the positive side the compact pistols and full size are now unified with just slight size difference rather than being the different M9 and M11 pistols.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 1411 PM

I found it interesting that both the M17 & M18 are being delivered with two 21-round magazines and a single 17-tound mag. Wouldve thought the M18 would have 17s only.
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Posted 28 January 2018 - 1515 PM

Deserved or not, the M9 has/had such a bad reputation in many circles that the US Army simply wanted to put it behind them. For the rest of the world, the Beretta 92 series seems to be working just fine. In fact, Oman (a very sandy, dusty place) recently adopted it as their standard sidearm.


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