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#41 Chris Werb

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 0414 AM

The Steyr's mv was a whopping 4,920 fps. This, it was argued, offered the ability to shoot without sight adjustment for elevation out to 600 metres.



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 0142 AM

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Was the flechette weight not just half a gram, though? The sabot to accelerate that little weight through just a 5.56 bore barrel (even to such a high speed) is bound to weigh damn near nothing, 0.15 grams or less. What were they afraid of?



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 0646 AM

Thanks!

Was the flechette weight not just half a gram, though? The sabot to accelerate that little weight through just a 5.56 bore barrel (even to such a high speed) is bound to weigh damn near nothing, 0.15 grams or less. What were they afraid of?

 

A 0.15 gram projectile hitting you at say 4000 fps is going to smart. 

 

0.15 grams = 2.314854 grains x 4000fps = 82ftlb. Do you want to shoot your colleagues with something with the energy of a .22LR subsonic hollow point travelling at .22 Swift velocities? I think they might be unimpressed.



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Posted 23 September 2016 - 1429 PM

French DGA(goverment procurement agency) announced today that Heckler & Koch won the contract to deliver the next assault rifle to French forces with HK416F.

 

http://www.defense.g...elle-future-aif

 

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General of Armaments (DGA) the contract to the program "Individual Weapon Future" (AIF) in consortium Heckler & Koch France SAS and Heckler & Koch GmbH on September 22, 2016. The operation arming IAF seeks to replace the FAMAS whose design dates back to the 70. a call for competition at European level has to retain five proposals were evaluated by the DGA, in conjunction with the armies.
The assault rifle used is the HK 416 F. This rifle at NATO caliber 5.56 mm, has the ability to shoot rifle grenades and can receive a 40 mm grenade launcher to increase its firepower.
This market helps strengthen the strong ties between Germany and France in the defense and in particular the arms industry. It can meet the needs of the three services listed in the 2015 update of the law of military programming from 2014 to 2019 with the delivery of more than 100 000 weapons, accessories, ammunition and various services which promote the qualification, initial support and user training. Deliveries are scheduled from 2017 and will be spread over ten years.

 

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 1607 PM

HK concurs.

 

The executive board of H&K AG (ISIN: DE000A11Q133 / WKN: A11Q13) announces as per art. 17 MAR that the French Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA) has accepted Heckler & Koch GmbH's offer for the delivery of up to 102.000 new assault rifles, up to 10.700 new grenade launchers, related ammunition and accessories. The products are expected to be delivered to the French army over the next 15 years. Heckler & Koch GmbH is part of the H&K AG-Group.

 



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 0638 AM

 

Thanks!

Was the flechette weight not just half a gram, though? The sabot to accelerate that little weight through just a 5.56 bore barrel (even to such a high speed) is bound to weigh damn near nothing, 0.15 grams or less. What were they afraid of?

 

A 0.15 gram projectile hitting you at say 4000 fps is going to smart. 

 

0.15 grams = 2.314854 grains x 4000fps = 82ftlb. Do you want to shoot your colleagues with something with the energy of a .22LR subsonic hollow point travelling at .22 Swift velocities? I think they might be unimpressed.

 

That's clear. My point is, something that light and of a calibre of 5.56 mm is gonna lose all its albeit impressive speed almost instantly, innit?



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 1914 PM

 

 

Thanks!

Was the flechette weight not just half a gram, though? The sabot to accelerate that little weight through just a 5.56 bore barrel (even to such a high speed) is bound to weigh damn near nothing, 0.15 grams or less. What were they afraid of?

 

A 0.15 gram projectile hitting you at say 4000 fps is going to smart. 

 

0.15 grams = 2.314854 grains x 4000fps = 82ftlb. Do you want to shoot your colleagues with something with the energy of a .22LR subsonic hollow point travelling at .22 Swift velocities? I think they might be unimpressed.

 

That's clear. My point is, something that light and of a calibre of 5.56 mm is gonna lose all its albeit impressive speed almost instantly, innit?

 

 

Once upon a time, i decided to try and see whether "Discofelt" felt cleaning pellets out of a .22 air rifle presented a hazard, so I shot one from about six feet into the lid of a tin of Eley Wasp pellets. It put quite a dent in it. Small, not very dense things may lose velocity quickly, but if you happen to be in the zone where the small, not very dense things are still moving at a fair clip, you might regret it. The discofelt pellet was probably doing around 8-900 fps at most. The fragments of sabot at least five times that at the muzzle.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 1915 PM

French DGA(goverment procurement agency) announced today that Heckler & Koch won the contract to deliver the next assault rifle to French forces with HK416F.

 

http://www.defense.g...elle-future-aif

 

google translate:

 

 

General of Armaments (DGA) the contract to the program "Individual Weapon Future" (AIF) in consortium Heckler & Koch France SAS and Heckler & Koch GmbH on September 22, 2016. The operation arming IAF seeks to replace the FAMAS whose design dates back to the 70. a call for competition at European level has to retain five proposals were evaluated by the DGA, in conjunction with the armies.
The assault rifle used is the HK 416 F. This rifle at NATO caliber 5.56 mm, has the ability to shoot rifle grenades and can receive a 40 mm grenade launcher to increase its firepower.
This market helps strengthen the strong ties between Germany and France in the defense and in particular the arms industry. It can meet the needs of the three services listed in the 2015 update of the law of military programming from 2014 to 2019 with the delivery of more than 100 000 weapons, accessories, ammunition and various services which promote the qualification, initial support and user training. Deliveries are scheduled from 2017 and will be spread over ten years.

 

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Ugh, that huge heavy quad-rail is so 2005.



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Posted 13 October 2016 - 2029 PM

You are channeling Simon now? :)



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Posted 14 October 2016 - 0804 AM

KEYMOD!! It's the New Thing!

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 1119 AM

KEYMOD!! It's the New Thing!
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Why do people pay so much for a KeyMod™ rail? ^_^


Meanwhile the CSASS is moving to an M-LOK system.

http://soldiersystem...ass-goes-m-lok/

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 1524 PM

You are channeling Simon now? :)

 

I'm busted! :)



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Posted 15 October 2016 - 1531 PM

Shep, what is going on with that folding offset frontsight?


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Posted 16 October 2016 - 0436 AM

Wasn't FN filing a protest or did that get rejected?



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Posted 16 October 2016 - 1526 PM

This article mentions that FAMAS needed custom ammo, and how HK 416 will help cut munitions costs by using standard NATO 5.56

https://www.strategy...s/20161016.aspx

"...FAMAS looked like other 5.56mm weapons, but there were some important design differences that made it difficult to use standard NATO ammunition.

"So the French had no problem leaving the FAMAS design behind and went looking for standard, 5.56mm assault rifle design that will, among other things, cut ammo costs by half."

 

 But then, the article repeats the myth about the inferiority of DI gas systems.  :glare:



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Posted 16 October 2016 - 1628 PM

Not custom, just steel cased with older style lighter projectiles. Galil/R4 also need light projectiles or accuracy suffers a bit.

 

DI as done on AR-15 is indeed not optimal, really direct as on MAS-49/56 is better and much less sensitive to fouling. OTOH, differences with decent propellants might be negligible.



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Posted 16 October 2016 - 2338 PM

If you arent using steel case, you are a mook. If you are using 5.56 steel case, you are a bigger mook.



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 0526 AM

Channelling Simon again :)

 

Midwest Industries makes several hand guards for both attachment systems. They are a big player in this ongoing battle between the two attachment systems. They reported that they are selling M-LOK over KeyMod at a rate of 3 to 1. Interestingly, they added that both KeyMod and M-LOK have “crushed” their sales of traditional quad rails.

 

http://jerkingthetri...-the-sales-say/



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 0558 AM

What is the experience with the sturdiness of these lighter attachment systems during protracted military deployments?



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 0651 AM

This article mentions that FAMAS needed custom ammo, and how HK 416 will help cut munitions costs by using standard NATO 5.56
https://www.strategy...s/20161016.aspx
"...FAMAS looked like other 5.56mm weapons, but there were some important design differences that made it difficult to use standard NATO ammunition.
"So the French had no problem leaving the FAMAS design behind and went looking for standard, 5.56mm assault rifle design that will, among other things, cut ammo costs by half."
 
 But then, the article repeats the myth about the inferiority of DI gas systems.  :glare:


The ammunition issue has been rectified in the G models. higher twist rate and a chamber and timing that they can use regular brass cased NATO standard SS109 and others.




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