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#21 Panzermann

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 0943 AM

The pistol will be made by SIG Sauer Inc (the US division of the company) in the USA.


New jobs for Exeter, New Hampshire.


Just like most M9 in service have been manufactured in the USA, which was part of the contract.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 1141 AM

"Seems like a good choice but does anybody know what the Beretta offering was?"-- JW Collins



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 1149 AM

Unbelievable. Pistols are now "weapons systems".  No wonder we can't buy anything quickly nor cheaply.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 1233 PM

And a big portion of the money will go to Germany and Switzerland....



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 1344 PM

Sig Sauer Inc. is owned by the German holding company L&O Holding, which itself is a vehicle for two German investors.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 1443 PM

"Seems like a good choice but does anybody know what the Beretta offering was?"-- JW Collins

 

My wife just bought one of these for Christmas.



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 1725 PM

That is a nice present.

 

One of the criticisms of the M9 was its quite substantial size for a 9 mm pistol. Now the DoD has again selected a rather large framed pistol that has the same height and is almost as long as the M9, but with now a much less slender and more square profile. On small soldiers it will look positively huge.


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 2019 PM

There is also the compact version adopted now and the system is to be adjustable to the individual. In this case there shoudl be different thick and slim P320 grips available in the arms room. If all the parts of the modular system actually reach line units is of course another story... Let us wait and see what it is going to look like in the mud zone.

 

"Seems like a good choice but does anybody know what the Beretta offering was?"-- JW Collins
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jincc8cQtDo


No. the M9 A3 proposal for improvements to the M9 and M9 A1 came from Beretta to circumvent the competition and keep the service pistol contract.


the actual contestant entries were

  • Beretta APX in 9 and. 40
  • CZ P-09MHS in 9
  • FN-USA Five-seveN in 5.7 (allegedly, other sources say FN kept it secret)
  • Glock 17 and 22 in 9 and .40 respectively
  • STI-Detonics STX in 9
  • Kriss USA with a Sphinx SDP in 9 mm
  • S&W together with GD OTS M&P in .40 and 9
  • SigSauer USA P320 in 9 and .357 SIG

all iirc of course, though elsewhere they are supposed to have been a dozen entries. Well when you count each caliber individually that fits.

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 2022 PM

And a big portion of the money will go to Germany and Switzerland....


Instead of Italy.

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 0034 AM

No entry from Colt?



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 0804 AM

Colt is next to dead.



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Posted 23 January 2017 - 1455 PM

Colt is next to dead.


rifles and pistols are flying off the shelves, so definitely not dead.

but the newest pistols in production are M1911 variations at the moment. The R&D looks dead.

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 1927 PM

$207 USD per pistol, according to The Firearm Blog:

http://www.thefirear...dular-handguns/

'Unconfirmed reports coming from the “writer grapevine” – specifically contacts of Andrew Branca’s – claim that SIG bid just $207 per P320 pistol to win the MHS contract, an incredibly low price even for a bulk order of modern polymer-framed striker-fired handguns. Although the exact quantity of pistols being procured is not known (because the contract is for an indefinite quantity over an indefinite delivery, called “IDIQ”), it is estimated that hundreds of thousands of pistols will be procured. The $580 million dollar figure does not just include those guns, however, but also spares, accessories, and even holsters, all to be procured from SIG Sauer.'


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 0819 AM

Rumour has it that the $207 are for the trigger module alone and that the rest (slides, barrels, grips, magazines...) is ancillary and paid from a different budget pot. And $207 for a trigger sounds reasonable to me.


Isn't also ammunition part of the contract?

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 0918 AM

I'm sure there will be paring and parsing a-plenty... ;)



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Posted 25 January 2017 - 2038 PM

Colt couldn't go in because they didn't have a pistol that met the specs and they couldn't afford to crank a new one out given the bankruptcy. They could have pulled a Glock and just thrown in with a gun that didn't meet the requirements in hopes that reputation would see them through, but didn't.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 0007 AM

Colt. Handgun. LOL.



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Posted 26 January 2017 - 1104 AM

Colt. Handgun. LOL.

 

You have to hand it to them for not bringing anything worthy of note to semiauto handguns for over 100 years and still being in business selling them.



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Posted 26 January 2017 - 1815 PM

Did Colt's in-house engineers designed any good pistol or were they living on a JMB's work and fame?



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Posted 26 January 2017 - 1836 PM

Did Colt's in-house engineers designed any good pistol or were they living on a JMB's work and fame?

Small, medium and large frame revolvers. Mostly unchanged from the 1890s until the 1990s. I'm more of S&W fan, but Colt's DA revolvers were a success for nearly a century.






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