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#41 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 0809 AM

You would have to understand my father, ever class conflict oriented. Beside, he would only have got into an argument with St Peter on the gate to the other place.

 

There was actually a Saint, I forget which one, that fornicated and wined his way through life, not because he really wanted to, but he wanted to administer to the lost souls in hell. Similar kinda thinking.


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 0815 AM

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There was actually a Saint, I forget which one, that fornicated and wined his way through life, not because he really wanted to, but he wanted to administer to the lost souls in hell. Similar kinda thinking.


Once one is in Hell there is no way back, so I doubt very much that story.
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Posted 11 September 2018 - 0831 AM

The way I heard it, he didnt plan to come back. He wanted to display Christian charity to those whom  were even beyond hope.

 

Forget where I heard it. Might have been in the TV adaptation of Dante's Inferno.


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 1018 AM

The RCC just keep digging that hole deeper.  I might as well go back to being a Protestant at this rate, since it does not appear that anything is going to be done except a Democrat level cover-up.

You could shift to COE or Episcopalian. OR the other direction and try Eastern Orthodox. There's probably an Orthodox church around some pocket of Byzantine Greeks in Texas seems to be odd pockets of every other European culture there. 


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 1022 AM

The COE have been going through its own scandal recently, so Its more than just one faith, it seems to be all of them.

https://www.theguard...ailed-for-abuse

 

Maybe this is one of the side benefits of more social networking, secrets like this are easier to out now than they used to be.


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 1551 PM

It is all of them. And the Boy Scouts, teachers, and lots of others. Various Establishments either ignored or covered up complaints to avoid scandal, protect comrades, and not alienate bosses. The RCC just happens to be the biggest single organization. They also have a PR plan that may as well been devized by Ian Paisley.

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 1839 PM

 

The RCC just keep digging that hole deeper.  I might as well go back to being a Protestant at this rate, since it does not appear that anything is going to be done except a Democrat level cover-up.

You could shift to COE or Episcopalian. OR the other direction and try Eastern Orthodox. There's probably an Orthodox church around some pocket of Byzantine Greeks in Texas seems to be odd pockets of every other European culture there. 

 

 

No go on the ECUSA, I was one for most of my life, baptized, an altar boy, married in an Episcopal church. They are dead to me.

 

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 1900 PM

It is all of them. And the Boy Scouts, teachers, and lots of others. Various Establishments either ignored or covered up complaints to avoid scandal, protect comrades, and not alienate bosses. The RCC just happens to be the biggest single organization. They also have a PR plan that may as well been devized by Ian Paisley.

 

It is an issue in Amish and the more orthodox Jewish communities too. It is important to remember while it is a significant issue in the Roman Catholic Church, the issue has been weaponized and memed by the political opponents of the church who have a legion of pedophiles in their own ranks. I am no fan of the Roman Catholic Church, but neither am I a fan of their left wing pederast enemies in Hollywood and elsewhere either. The appointment of commie pope is a direct result of church trying to do PR damage control to appease these idiots. 


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Posted 11 September 2018 - 1924 PM

 

 

The RCC just keep digging that hole deeper.  I might as well go back to being a Protestant at this rate, since it does not appear that anything is going to be done except a Democrat level cover-up.

You could shift to COE or Episcopalian. OR the other direction and try Eastern Orthodox. There's probably an Orthodox church around some pocket of Byzantine Greeks in Texas seems to be odd pockets of every other European culture there. 

 

 

No go on the ECUSA, I was one for most of my life, baptized, an altar boy, married in an Episcopal church. They are dead to me.

 

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I was baptized Roman Catholic, grew up in the ECUSA, and am now part of ACNA/GAFCON. I would have literally nothing to do with ECUSA (having been excommunicated from them) were my parent's not still members. This meme pic is spot on. The amazing part to me is how the female "Bishop" in the picture spent millions of dollars the ECUSA didn't have to sue the ACNA separatist congregations, and defaulting on the mortgage on the ECUSA HQ building in the process. Had she seen to her own house instead of conducting a scorched earth campaign... well... I may be bitter, but it's with a damned good reason. The Apostate will double down on their apostasy. 


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0546 AM

A deacon refuses to assist at Mass for Cardinal Wuerl: https://pjmedia.com/...im-during-mass/   It looks like the conspiracy of silence is starting to crumble.  Then there was the pope, sigh, he states that if you expose bishops sin then you are in league with the devil.  Can he get any more ignorant?  Or does the Lavender Mafia have something they are holding over him?  He is a Jesuit after all. 


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0547 AM

I remember that.  She was a trainwreck, and a gift that kept on giving.

 

 

 

The RCC just keep digging that hole deeper.  I might as well go back to being a Protestant at this rate, since it does not appear that anything is going to be done except a Democrat level cover-up.

You could shift to COE or Episcopalian. OR the other direction and try Eastern Orthodox. There's probably an Orthodox church around some pocket of Byzantine Greeks in Texas seems to be odd pockets of every other European culture there. 

 

 

No go on the ECUSA, I was one for most of my life, baptized, an altar boy, married in an Episcopal church. They are dead to me.

 

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I was baptized Roman Catholic, grew up in the ECUSA, and am now part of ACNA/GAFCON. I would have literally nothing to do with ECUSA (having been excommunicated from them) were my parent's not still members. This meme pic is spot on. The amazing part to me is how the female "Bishop" in the picture spent millions of dollars the ECUSA didn't have to sue the ACNA separatist congregations, and defaulting on the mortgage on the ECUSA HQ building in the process. Had she seen to her own house instead of conducting a scorched earth campaign... well... I may be bitter, but it's with a damned good reason. The Apostate will double down on their apostasy. 

 


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0604 AM

A deacon refuses to assist at Mass for Cardinal Wuerl: https://pjmedia.com/...im-during-mass/   It looks like the conspiracy of silence is starting to crumble.  Then there was the pope, sigh, he states that if you expose bishops sin then you are in league with the devil.  Can he get any more ignorant?  Or does the Lavender Mafia have something they are holding over him?  He is a Jesuit after all. 

Once your group/movement/etc is entrenched enough, you only ever let someone near the controls if they are either a part of the group/movement/etc or you have something with which to guarantee their loyalty to the group/movement/etc. Otherwise you risk exposure.  


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0608 AM

A deacon refuses to assist at Mass for Cardinal Wuerl: https://pjmedia.com/...im-during-mass/   It looks like the conspiracy of silence is starting to crumble.  Then there was the pope, sigh, he states that if you expose bishops sin then you are in league with the devil.  Can he get any more ignorant?  Or does the Lavender Mafia have something they are holding over him?  He is a Jesuit after all. 

 

Look up "St. Gallen Group".


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0805 AM

Date 12.09.2018

 

Thousands of sex abuse cases in German Catholic Church – report

 

More than half of the victims were younger than 13 and predominantly male. The study's findings were based on documented cases that occurred over more than six decades.

 

A study commissioned by the German Bishops Conference examined 3,677 cases of abuse allegedly perpetrated by clergy nationwide, German magazine Der Spiegel reported on Wednesday. The universities of Giessen, Heidelberg and Mannheim were involved in the research, which implicated 1,670 priests in sexual abuse spanning from 1946 to 2014.

 

The report comes amidst a resurfacing of abuse and cover-up allegations against the Catholic Church around the world. Pope Francis has apologized and pledged to support victims in their search for justice, but he has also been singled out for inaction against abuser priests in the past.

 

The victims in Germany were predominantly male and more than half of them were 13 years of age or younger. Every sixth case involved a rape, and in three-quarters of the cases the victim and perpetrator knew each other through the church.

 

More cases could exists, the study cautions, noting that the figures represent a conservative estimate.  German newspaper Die Zeit reported that researchers were not allowed to look at original church files, but relied on information provided by the dioceses.

 

In many cases, files containing information about the accusers were "destroyed or manipulated," contributing to the difficulty in assessing the extent of the abuse.

 

The study warned that there was no reason to believe that sexual abuse of minors by Catholic Church clergy was a thing of the past, as continued abuse was still occurring in 2014, the last year of the investigative period.

 

Priests relocated

 

Accused priests were often quietly transferred to other parishes, without providing the affected communities with information about the abuser. The church pursued only a third of abusers, who submitted themselves to church law. But they received either minimal sanctions or dismissed charges altogether.

 

[...]

 

https://www.dw.com/e...port/a-45459734

 

Pope Francis summons bishops to Vatican for summit on preventing sex abuse

 
Jane Onyanga-Omara | USA TODAY
Published 7:53 AM EDT Sep 12, 2018
 

Pope Francis has summoned the presidents of Catholic bishops conferences worldwide to the Vatican in February to discuss how to stop clergy from sexually abusing children.

 

The meeting, on February 21-24, is believed to be the first of its kind. Some clergy from the Catholic Church have been carrying out abuse for decades.

 

[...]

 

https://eu.usatoday....mit/1276722002/


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0822 AM

 

The RCC just keep digging that hole deeper.  I might as well go back to being a Protestant at this rate, since it does not appear that anything is going to be done except a Democrat level cover-up.

You could shift to COE or Episcopalian. OR the other direction and try Eastern Orthodox. There's probably an Orthodox church around some pocket of Byzantine Greeks in Texas seems to be odd pockets of every other European culture there. 

 

Well there IS a Greek church in the greater Dallas area; one of my college buddies is a member.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0835 AM

3,677 alleged abuses, a sixth of them rapes, over 68 years. This means 54 average alleged abuses / 9 average alleged rapes per year.

Currently there are 23,6 million Catholics in Germany, 22,7 million in 1946. It would be useful to know the cases reported every year.

 

Here are some current statistics for the general population of Germany. I think the section titled "Law Enforcement Response" could be useful in order to understand the figures presented in the DW article.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0836 AM

 

Pope Francis summons bishops to Vatican for summit on preventing sex abuse

 
Jane Onyanga-Omara | USA TODAY
Published 7:53 AM EDT Sep 12, 2018
 

Pope Francis has summoned the presidents of Catholic bishops conferences worldwide to the Vatican in February to discuss how to stop clergy from sexually abusing children.
 
The meeting, on February 21-24, is believed to be the first of its kind. Some clergy from the Catholic Church have been carrying out abuse for decades.
 
[...]

 
https://eu.usatoday....mit/1276722002/

 

Taking time away from all his important work on climate change and immigration, poor guy. Apparently, it's the Devil's doing.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0849 AM

I dont think you can blame just the present pope for problems that are long standing. We had a couple of Schools linked to Monasteries that allegations have been leveled at since the 1960's. In Ireland, the problems clearly go back even further than that. Every pope since that time has to take some of the blame for that. So do local authorities.

 

 

https://www.dailymai...gures-show.html


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0908 AM

I dont think you can blame just the present pope for problems that are long standing. We had a couple of Schools linked to Monasteries that allegations have been leveled at since the 1960's. In Ireland, the problems clearly go back even further than that. Every pope since that time has to take some of the blame for that. So do local authorities.

 

 

https://www.dailymai...gures-show.html

 

There could be some UK-related peculiarities at play here, and it is more than a couple of schools. There are plenty of news on the matter, but some pro-state schools agenda could not be disregarded.

 

http://www.itv.com/n...tv-documentary/


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 0912 AM

I dont think you can blame just the present pope for problems that are long standing. 

 

You can't blame him for the actions. You can blame him for failing to deal with it and for letting it fester more. He apparently, reversed a punishment that a major figure was under for his predilections. 

Pederasty and homosexuality in seminaries isn't apparently a problem for him. 


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