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#2121 JasonJ

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Posted 17 August 2019 - 2256 PM

The short range missiles don't particularly concern the US and don't move the needle in US politics. 

 

That could in fact be a feature, not a bug, particularly when their southern brethren are embroiled in a war of policies with Japan and Japanese. Such missile launches could be interpreted as solidarity between Koreans in various ways. 

 

Its a really complex situation. The ambiguity creates arrows that point in all sorts of directions. Standard Japanese TV media put some emphasize on the counter view that after Moon's sharp rhetoric against Japan such as things like "economic invasion" "will not lose to Japan a second time" afterwards there was his "willing to extend a happy hand". What has also been broadcasted is that there were demonstrations against the Moon administration as well, and showing some interviews with South Koreans on the ground saying things like that they don't participated in the "boycott Japan but feel nervous to by anything Japanese", or "Japan has been a nice country, how could a president say things like that", and so on. Right wing media of course spend more time on the anti-Japanese stuff. Some of the demonstrations against the Moon administration had a number of American flags along with the Korean flags. These likely made with the ROK conservative wing which likely would be in full support of the US-ROK joint-training and are generally more hard line in approach towards DPRK. I could certainly imagine Moon himself not liking the US-ROK joint-training and only allowing it for other pressure reasons such as perhaps political because over the last year or so, he did lose some approval rating points because of his soft approach to DPRK, dipping below 50% at around May. 50% is still relatively good for other leaders in other countries but considering that Moon became president with something like an 85+ approval rating, dipping below 50% was a losing trend. But soft approach to DPRK wasn't the only point that cost him some approval points. The other was jobs. Under his economic programs, senior citizens job rates increased, but the younger graduate age bracket of 18-29 years of age still has a very high unemployment rate. 1,000s of young South Koreans have even gone to Japan looking for work (which is one of several points that I think some Japanese need to be careful about not getting too angry in their response to ROK rhetoric with the history and all since getting some young skilled South Korean workers is a benefit to Japan). So the unemployment with the young age has also resulting in demonstrations again Moon. One other pressure point probably coming in from another angle was Moon's failure to stick with a campaign pledge to raise the minimum wage a certain amount, falling around halfway short if I'm not mistaken. All in the meantime, South Korea's fertility rate has falling below 1.0 it seems, makes Japan's 1.42 or whatever it is look really good.. While Moon's approval rating did pick up a little after his anti-Japan rhetoric following Japan's decision to reduce ROK from the white list of countries with easy free trade, climbing back up a little above 50%. However part of his response to Japan's response was things like removing barriers to overwork hours for research companies with the aim of developing the tech to reduce dependency on Japanese tech. This whole mess they put themselves into is deriving from the liberal ROK wing's recent idea that the 1965 money aid from Japan for the forced labour is no longer sufficient. They also doubled down on the comfort women stuff again recently. But this noisy side makes up around half the population from my observation. A quarter is general neutral don't care and play along with the majority. The last quarter actually has no problem with Japan but keep their thoughts on the whole matter in the closet to keep themselves safe from the mob. Things are not so simple as you describe and knowing about these specifics makes a difference in having a better approach.


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Posted 18 August 2019 - 1114 AM

For better or worse, the optics of thousands of South Koreans marching on the Japanese Embassy in Seoul while North Koreans fire short range missiles into the sea are not easily mistaken for appeals to the feelings of Japan and Japanese. Neither does the rich vein of wartime resentment the Koreans appear to have tapped into appear to be subsiding anytime soon.


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#2123 JasonJ

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 0948 AM

At any rate, the K-pop still finds a way. Another new girl group, this one called IZ*ONE (wiki linked), has 12 members, 9 are South Korean and 3 are Japanese, formed in late 2018, so not even active for a year yet. Planned to be active until 2021. Music sounds generic to me but whatever, most Holy Wood movies are generic too and they makes loads of millions of USD. Just watched the every Monday night Japanese talk show "Shabekuri 007" (wiki linked) that featured the girl group. Here is a stream of the episode. The IZ*ONE portion goes from 3:34:58 to the end at 3:59:58 (although the live animation that comes beforehand was pretty neat).

 

Since it is a stream of an entire episode on Youtube, it might go down soon.

 

So some quick screenshots of the episode :ph34r:

 

Excitement upon stage entrance

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Eight more images in the spoiler

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1427 PM

A friend forwarded me a Los Angeles Times article over the weekend that both contrasts with and complements the missile diplomacy of the North in various ways.

 

The fear is not just the concept of reparations for the wartime use of Korean slave labor in particular, it is extrapolation of the concept to all of the wartime forced and slave labor in general, unfortunately.

 

https://www.latimes....historic-wrongs


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Posted 23 August 2019 - 0753 AM

US response to the Moon administration's decision to discontinue GSOMIA.

The United States expressed "strong concern" and "disappointment" Thursday after South Korea withdrew from a military intelligence-sharing pact with Japan.

Earlier, Seoul announced its decision to end the General Security of Military Information Agreement amid a bilateral dispute over trade and history.

In a rare public rebuke of its South Korean ally, the US State Department and the Pentagon expressed their displeasure with the move.

"We're disappointed to see the decision that the South Koreans made about that information-sharing agreement," US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters at a joint press conference with his Canadian counterpart in Ottawa, Canada.

"We were urging each of the two countries to continue to engage, to continue to have dialogue," he said, adding that he spoke with South Korean Foreign Minister Kang Kyung-wha in the morning.

Still, Pompeo voiced hope that South Korea and Japan will begin to mend their ties in consideration of the important work the three countries do together.

"We hope each of those two countries can begin to put that relationship back in exactly the right place," he said. "It's absolutely valuable not only to the work you mentioned in the context of North Korea, but important in the work we do all around the world."

The State Department's frustrations did not stop there.

"The United States has repeatedly made clear to the Moon administration that this decision would have a negative effect on US security interests and those of our allies," a State Department spokesperson told Yonhap News Agency, referring to South Korean President Moon Jae-in.

The decision "reflects a serious misapprehension on the part of the Moon Administration regarding the serious security challenges we face in Northeast Asia," added the spokesperson.

The Pentagon echoed Pompeo's remarks.

"The Department of Defense expresses our strong concern and disappointment that the Moon Administration has withheld its renewal" of the agreement, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Dave Eastburn said in a statement.

"We strongly believe that the integrity of our mutual defense and security ties must persist despite frictions in other areas of the ROK-Japan relationship. We'll continue to pursue bilateral and trilateral defense and security cooperation where possible with Japan and the ROK," he added. ROK stands for South Korea's official name, the Republic of Korea.

The two statements came only hours after a South Korean presidential official told reporters that the US had expressed its understanding of Seoul's decision.

The Pentagon even replaced an earlier iteration of its statement, which had called on South Korea and Japan to work together to resolve their differences.

"I hope they can do this quickly," Eastburn had said. "We are all stronger -- and Northeast Asia is safer -- when the United States, Japan and Korea work together in solidarity and friendship. Intel-sharing is key to developing our common defense policy and strategy."

Asked by Yonhap News Agency to explain the replacement, the spokesman did not immediately give a response.

But a US government source made clear that Washington was irked by the South Korean presidential official's remarks.

"We are especially unhappy that the South Korean government is saying it had US understanding. Not true," the source told Yonhap on condition of anonymity.

The US has filed a complaint with South Korean officials in Seoul and Washington over the assertion, "in addition to expressing our unhappiness with the actual decision," the source added.

The termination of GSOMIA marks the culmination of a spat that began with Japan's decision to curb exports of sensitive materials to South Korea in early July.

Seoul denounced the move as retaliation for a South Korean court ruling that ordered Japanese firms to compensate Korean victims of forced labor during Tokyo's 1910-45 colonial rule of the Korean Peninsula.

The dispute escalated with Japan's delisting in August of South Korea from a list of trusted trading partners and Seoul's tit-for-tat action to remove Tokyo from its own list.

Washington has continued to encourage its two allies to find a solution while stating its readiness to facilitate dialogue between them.

Still, it has refrained from playing an active intermediary role out of concern it could be seen as taking sides.

GSOMIA, which was signed in 2016, is now set to expire in November, raising concerns about effective three-way cooperation against North Korea's nuclear threats and China's growing military assertiveness.

The pact would have renewed automatically after Aug. 24, as each side is bound by a three-month window to inform the other of any intent to withdraw. (Yonhap)

http://www.koreahera...=20190823000106


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#2126 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 0344 AM

There is a fictional book (which I have not read) on the 2020 commision report on the North Korean nuclear strike on North America. It looks pretty interesting.

https://www.amazon.c...g=UTF8&qid=&sr=


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 0442 AM

There is a fictional book (which I have not read) on the 2020 commision report on the North Korean nuclear strike on North America. It looks pretty interesting.

https://www.amazon.c...g=UTF8&qid=&sr=

 

Read it, it's great.


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Posted 16 September 2019 - 0444 AM

Thanks, ive got some money left on my kindle, Ill give it a punt.


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 0107 AM

Thanks, ive got some money left on my kindle, Ill give it a punt.

 

I'm sure this will be exactly your thing.  :)


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 0834 AM

From Russian news: Two NK big fishing boats and 11 motorboats were spotted by Rus Coast Guard (branch of FSB) while illegally fishing in Rus waters. Crew of the first boat (21 men) was arrested without problems, but crew of second boat, 45 men, attacked Coast Guard search team “with arms”, injuring three FSB operatives. By following actions second boat was also detasined – now both boats are escorted to Nakhodka port in Russia. https://www.bfm.ru/news/424758

It is not the first incident with NK and other illegal fishermen – they are caught regularly, sometimes not without lots of “warning shots” and/or ramming, and NK boats are often washed ashore even inside Vladivostok, abandoned or with corpses of unlucky sailors died in sea


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Posted 21 September 2019 - 1837 PM

Coast guard video of above mentioned incndent


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0136 AM

 

Thanks, ive got some money left on my kindle, Ill give it a punt.

 

I'm sure this will be exactly your thing.  :)

 

 

It was,  thanks!


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0615 AM

More of Rus Coast Guard vs. NK illegal fishing


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 0610 AM

DPRK nuclear negotiating team heading to Sweden for preparations for working level talks with the US. Test launched from an underwater container at a barge a BM (Pukguksong-3) that flew about a distance of about 450km and up to an altitude of around 900 km and splashed down in Japanese EEZ waters.

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http://www.koreahera...=20191003000145

Picture is from the article.

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From left to right.. Pukguksong-1, Pukguksong-2, and Pukguksong-3


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 0654 AM

Solid fuel on 1st one, probably perchlorate/aluminium (dense white smoke). Main engine still did not kick in on other two.


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 1223 PM

Koreans banding together their knowledge in a common direction is to be expected at this point.

 

If historical precedent is any indication, a Nationalist Taiwanese/Chinese variation on a similar theme is probably on deck at some point down the road.


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Posted 05 October 2019 - 1554 PM

That strange feeling, when the North Korean version is more credible than the US version....

 

https://apnews.com/4...00882396baf12c0

 

The Latest: North Korea says talks broke down; US disagrees

 

HELSINKI (AP) — The Latest on U.S.-North Korea talks (all times local):
 
10:45 p.m.
 
North Korea’s chief negotiator says discussions with the U.S. on Pyongyang’s nuclear program have broken down, but Washington says the two sides had “good discussions” that it intends to build on in two weeks.
 
The North Korean negotiator, Kim Miyong Gil, said Saturday’s talks in Stockholm broke down “entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude.”
 
Speaking outside the North Korean embassy, he read a statement in Korean that a translator next to him read in English.
 
Diplomatic ties between the U.S. and North Korea have been in statis since the February breakdown of a second summit between President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un in Vietnam.
 
But State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said the North’s comments “do not reflect the content or the spirit” of the “good discussions” that took place.

 

 


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Posted 06 October 2019 - 0144 AM

But I dont understand? I heard from the Orange Emperor this was all solved? :huh:


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Posted 06 October 2019 - 0418 AM

But I dont understand? I heard from the Orange Emperor this was all solved? :huh:

 

We're still in the timeline for the 2020 book by Jeffrey Lewis, so...  ;)


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Posted 06 October 2019 - 0432 AM

Better stay away from the vicinity of Trump tower then....


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