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#341 shep854

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 0934 AM

As a submariner once pointed out, a LOT of sensitive information is actually in open media, if someone is willing to dig and connect. Consider the Chinese 'Million Grains of Sand', where the PRC gov't simply interviews returning travelers, then correlates their seemingly trivial recollections.

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#342 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 0938 AM

I think in a crisis we might have to consider basing at Scapa Flow again Much easier to control information access from a remote area.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 1143 AM

The tweet poster doesn't make sense. The word today is hyper-connected with multiple encrypted networks and the modern globalized and multicultural societies mean that unless you basically disconnect a country off the internet completely, such notions of security do not make sense. Hell, you don't even need spies, as there are plenty of unsecured IPTV cameras easily accessible from the Internet.

 

Of course. I mean that is what the intelligence agencies, secret services etc. of the world do as heir daily business.

 

 

The recycled poster is a reminder though, that the Queen's sailors do not blabber secrets into the public and in general think more before posting.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0330 AM

I think in a crisis we might have to consider basing at Scapa Flow again Much easier to control information access from a remote area.

Interesting. Scapa Flow is not a naval base anymore?


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0339 AM

No, hasnt been for years.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0348 AM

No, hasnt been for years.

What is it now? Just an abandoned naval site?


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0424 AM

https://www.royalnav...-are/naval-base

 

 

Apparently down to three. That's unfortunate


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0608 AM

 

No, hasnt been for years.

What is it now? Just an abandoned naval site?

 

 

From what I see on documentaries of  HMS Royal Oak, there are some derelict buildings, and a visitors centre, buts about it. It was never really much of a location other than a fueling point. For major maintenance they would probably have had to have used the Clyde.

 

I was amused to read in the foreword to 'Riddle of the Sands' (the 1908 edition IIRC) that Childers claimed that the RN had opened the base as a reaction to his novel. I doubt thats the case, but it clearly was a reaction to the rise of the German Fleet. When it went away, there wasnt really much need for it. I wonder if it was even used in the cold war.

 

 

https://www.royalnav...-are/naval-base

 

 

Apparently down to three. That's unfortunate

 

You can see why im so alarmed at defence spending in the UK. We really are starting to hatchet things that when we lose them, we simply wont get back.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0620 AM

That was my feeling when I traveled to Rosyth to see the two UK carriers under construction. While the ships were impressive, I found it very moving to be at one of the most important RN dockyards and bases of the two world wars. I imagined Beatty's BC Squadron heading out under the Firth of Forth Bridge, belching coal smoke and so on. Alas all is now civilianized under Babcocks.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 0910 AM

I thought RN shore establishments, including bases, were 'HMS', like ships.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 1800 PM

Only if they're still RN bases.

 

However, Whilst there were dockyards, there were also bases in and around them with the actual HMS names.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:58 AM

Only if they're still RN bases.

 

However, Whilst there were dockyards, there were also bases in and around them with the actual HMS names.

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