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#701 Paul G.

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 0706 AM

No, I don't know how. Look at Shapiro's video. There's plenty of Mazza making a clear point that he doesn't want the rules to apply to him.

Crowder CLEARLY and explicitly doesn't want people conducting political violence. Mazza defends political violence and calls out for it. Don't you see a problem there?


More dishonest BS. If crowder had just gone after that angle, and left out the homophobic angle, no issue and you know it. Crowder's "Socialist Fag" rants were fueling his audience to harass Mazza. That should be out of bounds for any legitimate actor.
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Posted 07 June 2019 - 1037 AM

Another view on Mazza.



 

Could he look any more stereotypical ?


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 1306 PM

Rubin is litteraly paid to not be outraged.


What precisely does this mean? He runs his own business. He's a mild and reasonable sort of person.

 

I am not offended, nor outraged, but I do have empathy for others,


When you have repeatedly panned the idea that there was discrimination going the other way, against whites and/or men, you were showing this empathy?

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 1310 PM

More dishonest BS. If crowder had just gone after that angle, and left out the homophobic angle, no issue and you know it. Crowder's "Socialist Fag" rants were fueling his audience to harass Mazza. That should be out of bounds for any legitimate actor.


What homophobic angle? He's making jokes. That's his schtick. Are offensive to some jokes now off the table? That's grounds for banning from social media?

When is the Family guy going to be yanked from TV because it's offensive?


Paul, please explain why you think one segment of the population gets to make revolting joke after revolting joke about conservatives, even at things like the Correspondent's dinner no less, while the conservative side is homophobic and racist because of your sensitive sensibilities?

You keep making noises about disingenuous, but you fail to explain why. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander.



Why is the guy who's complaining about the perpetually offended, trying to justify banning someone from a medium becuase of the perpetually offended? I don't think you're arguing in good faith.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 1658 PM

How different is this from the Chinese Sesame Credit system? 



 


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 0102 AM

Tim himself is going to be in the crosshairs pretty soon at the rate things are going.

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1337 PM

Yeah. He will be as he's 'connected' with the alt right. They even made a chart! He's already had to avoid antifa events because they target him for assault. 

He's had videos demonetized because he covered a Nazi/White Supremacists rally. 

Naturally, the youtube algorithms demonetize videos like that because they show white nationalism. If a major media outlet puts the same story coverage on their Youtube channel...monetized. Because they're keeping the dialogue going. 


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1453 PM

It's amazing to me that we hear all about the vaunted algorithms and how amazing AI is getting and yet the social media platforms are banning things just because they deal with "Nazi" and "white nationalism" etc even if they are against them or dealing with them in an historical context. I could have written code 25 years ago that would have done that with zero ability to discriminate between pro propaganda and other efforts. They spend billions, employ tens of thousands of coders and reviewers and they can't tell the difference. That's horrible incompetence.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1607 PM

I've tried listening to Tim, honestly I have, but I find his delivery unlistenable.  I don't know what is worse, his lack of direction stream of consciousness, or the fast talking staccato way of speaking.  For the same reasons I find listening to Ben Shapiro, much like finger nails on a chalk board, grating and so rarely hear what he has to say.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 1638 PM

The bigger issue is that people are dedicating their business plans, sense of self-worth, etc. in communicating via channels that are owned by private companies and can do whatever the f*ck they want in terms of limiting speech, etc, and give you free hosting in exchange for advertising dollars. And every time YouTube or Facebook's team of lawyers wrestles over whether or not to ban wannabe Nazis (which in their defense are really complicated questions), it just reinforces that these companies are somehow now the arbitrators of how we communicate with each other. So no matter what, they win.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 2258 PM

Need alternative media.
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Posted 09 June 2019 - 2310 PM

Need alternative media.

 

Need alternative people, too. Facebook has power because people give it power. 


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 2311 PM

Naturally, the youtube algorithms demonetize videos like that because they show white nationalism. If a major media outlet puts the same story coverage on their Youtube channel...monetized. Because they're keeping the narrative going. 

 

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 2313 PM

Need alternative media.

 
Need alternative people, too. Facebook has power because people give it power.

People are like a herd of sheep. They do whatever monopolizing people make them do.
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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0116 AM

The bigger issue is that people are dedicating their business plans, sense of self-worth, etc. in communicating via channels that are owned by private companies and can do whatever the f*ck they want in terms of limiting speech, etc, and give you free hosting in exchange for advertising dollars. And every time YouTube or Facebook's team of lawyers wrestles over whether or not to ban wannabe Nazis (which in their defense are really complicated questions), it just reinforces that these companies are somehow now the arbitrators of how we communicate with each other. So no matter what, they win.

Imagine a world where the Power Company can decide that it's just going to cut power to political voices it doesn't like. 

Imagine the power company in the area around DC cutting power to lobby groups that specifically oppose it. If it's ok for Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter and other companies to cut services to someone they dislike politically, why can't Pepco cut power to groups like Green Peace, The sierra club or even the Democratic National Headquarters if they dislike something those groups have? Take it a step further. Datamine people who are supporters and LIKE GreenPeace on Facebook and cut their power too. 

It's a private company. There's no right to their power. They can get the energy some other way right? 

Explain why this would be different? Because that's the road we're going down now. 


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0118 AM

I've tried listening to Tim, honestly I have, but I find his delivery unlistenable.  I don't know what is worse, his lack of direction stream of consciousness, or the fast talking staccato way of speaking.  For the same reasons I find listening to Ben Shapiro, much like finger nails on a chalk board, grating and so rarely hear what he has to say.


Have you tried Lauren Chen? 


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0226 AM

Here is an imponderable for you. There has recently been a decision to remove a punk band called Killdren from appearing in the lineup at Glastonbury this year, over concerns over their playing their catchy new number 'Kill Tory scum'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48492619

So here is the question. Were Glastonbury right, and this is incitement to violence, or is this hysterical overreaction? I dont have a dog in this fight, im just interested in the wider tanknet opinion. Is this freedom of speech, or just crap music?


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0326 AM

Heh, very reminiscent of German punk band Feine Sahne Fischfilet (which translates to "Fine Cream Fish Fillet" :D ). They make really bad music, but fortunately with inflammatory texts calling for violence against neo-Nazis and police, so they still get lots of exposure; at one point they were mentioned in the annual domestic intelligence report for their home state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

 

Several of their gigs have been cancelled over security concerns, most notably when the Bauhaus Dessau pulled out of a recording by public broadcaster ZDF last year (eventually the local theater, which had initially also denied them a venue, provided the stage). This was following controversy after Persident Frank Walter Steinmeier endorsed an earlier concert in Chemnitz protesting the right-wing riots over the killing of a German-Cuban by an asylum seeker there on Facebook, in which the band participated; he was accused of supporting left-wing extremists for that by conservatives.


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Posted 10 June 2019 - 0330 AM

And I thought British politics was complicated. :D

 

Its interesting, a number of Tories have been protesting this decision which is pretty big of them.


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