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#841 Colin

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 2008 PM

The Temple Mount has always been a focal point of the conflict, and people from both sides have used it to fan the flames as long as I can remember. Still the fact remains that the holy sites of Jerusalem have never been as accessible to faithful of all religions as under Israeli rule.

 

Of course looking for references, I learned just now that according to the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, it's actually forbidden for Jews to enter the Temple Mount because they might involuntarily violate the prohibition to enter the old temple's Holy of Holies, nobody knowing quite where this was located precisely. That's an interesting problem.

The temple mount issue has been fairly quiet, it seems far more orchastrated lately


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#842 DADI

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Posted 09 November 2014 - 0529 AM

 

http://www.elderofziyon.com/ :lol: "Controlling the wirld since 70 CE"  :lol: :D

 

 

The statement in that blog is true.

There was a huge fight between Jordan and King Hussein on one side, and Yasser Arafat and his PA on the other, around who will appoint the Jerusalem Mufti, Muslim supreme leader of Jerusalem (The last "Palestinian Mufti - Haj Amin El Husseini - was a huge supporter of Hitler and even met with him).

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The fight was flaming during 1996.. And when the Israeli PM Shimon Peres, decided to allow Arafat to appoint the Mufti, King Hussein was so mad he invited then a young candidate for PM - Benjamin Netanyahu to Amman, and gave him his support.

Like every other time in his biography, Arafat made each and every one dealing with him sorry.

He appointed the Mufti - That immediately started digging under Al-Aqtza mosque the create a bigger Mosque (and quite a lot of damage to Archeological treasures and the south wall of the temple mount - later fixed by the Saudis as can be seen as white uncharacteristic stones on the south wall pictures).. Of course there was Arafat's blames that Israel is out to destroy Al-Aqtza - that lead to the violent riots in 1996 - and later to the second Intifada on the year 2000.

I remember that visitors could walk around the Temple Mount. I was in Al Aqtza and the Dome of The Rock (most people confuse the two- including the majority of Muslims - Al Aqtza is the more modest structure on the south side - EXTERNAL TO THE BIBLICAL TEMPLE MOUNT - and in no religious conflict with Jewish tradition) many times.

Again - Even without the prohibition of religious Jews to enter the Temple mount - Al Aqtza Mosque was intentionally built outside of the area holy to Jews.

No wonder the PA shows the pictures of the Dome of the Rock as Al-Aqtza (a lie that already cost the lives of many)…

A place with no Muslim religious importance (BTW - Now they start saying that "they gave the westren wall to the Jews..)

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Abu Mazen with the Dome of The Rock behind him - Most Arabs now believe that's Al-Aqtza Mosque.

 

They need the conflict. The Palestinian Authority feasts on violence created in Jerusalem in an attempt to show themselves as the "protectors of Al Aqtza" - That's why they shout all the time that the Mosque is in danger... But themselves don't treat it in a very "holy" manner..


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Posted 09 November 2014 - 0613 AM

I remember that visitors could walk around the Temple Mount. I was in Al Aqtza and the Dome of The Rock (most people confuse the two- including the majority of Muslims - Al Aqtza is the more modest structure on the south side - EXTERNAL TO THE BIBLICAL TEMPLE MOUNT - and in no religious conflict with Jewish tradition) many times.

 

Huh, I knew about the bulge in the side of the Mount due to reckless work on the underground mosque, but if you had asked me which building is which

 

[went off to check in another window on the side, half an hour of Wikipedia surfing later]

 

Terribly fascinating place on so many levels. Damn shame proper archaeological investigation is precluded by all the sensitivities it is fraught with. I'd like to see it some time.


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Posted 09 November 2014 - 0844 AM

This is NOT a Mosque..

 

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Just some moderately dominant Israeli women...


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Posted 09 November 2014 - 0853 AM

 

Terribly fascinating place on so many levels. Damn shame proper archaeological investigation is precluded by all the sensitivities it is fraught with. I'd like to see it some time.

 

 

There is much work done on the rubble thrown out by the Wakf...

And there's the "City of David" some of our friends here spent some time digging..

 

By the way - The Only building standing in full, built by King Harod is the Cave of the Patriachs, of course - claimed by the Muslims as a Mosque...

 

Every thing and anything shall be done according to the ways of the merciful Allah and his prophet...


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 0451 AM

Four dead in suspected Palestinian attack on Jerusalem synagogue

 
BY MAAYAN LUBELL
JERUSALEM Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:11am EST
 
(Reuters) - Two suspected Palestinian men armed with axes and knives killed four people in a Jerusalem synagogue on Tuesday before being shot dead by police, Israeli police and emergency services said, the deadliest such attack in the city in years.
 
The attack took place shortly after dawn in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of West Jerusalem. Pictures posted by an Israeli army spokesman on the Internet showed a man in a Jewish prayer shawl lying dead, a bloodied butcher's cleaver discarded on the floor and overturned prayer tables.
 
"We are viewing this as a terrorist attack," said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. Israel's ambulance service said at least eight people were seriously wounded.
Police said at least one of the assailants was from East Jerusalem, the predominantly Palestinian side of the city.
 
Palestinian radio reports described the attackers as "martyrs" and the Islamist group Hamas praised the attack. Loudspeakers at mosques in Gaza called out congratulations.
 
"Hamas calls for the continuation of revenge operations and stresses that the Israeli occupation bears responsibility for tension in Jerusalem," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said.
 
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu blamed the attack on both Hamas and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who he accused of urging Palestinians towards violence.
 
"This is a direct result of incitement led by Hamas and Abu Mazen, incitement that the international community has been irresponsibly ignoring," he said in a statement.
 
"We will respond with a heavy hand to the brutal murder of Jews who came to pray and were killed by lowly murderers."
 
Violence in Jerusalem, areas of Israel and the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories has surged in the past month, fueled by a dispute over Jerusalem's holiest shrine, which has given rise to fears of a religious conflict.
 
Five Israelis and a foreign visitor have been deliberately run over and killed or stabbed to death by Palestinians. About a dozen Palestinians have also been killed, including those accused of carrying out those attacks.
 
On Monday a Palestinian bus driver was found hanged in a vehicle in Jerusalem. Israeli police, citing autopsy results, said he had committed suicide but the driver's family said they suspected foul play and the incident led to clashes.
 
Hamas called for retaliation after the bus driver's death.
 
Residents trace the violence in Jerusalem to July, when a Palestinian teenager was burned to death by Jewish assailants, an alleged revenge attack for the abduction and killing of three Jewish teens by Palestinian militants in the occupied West Bank.
 
The summer war in Gaza and a row over access to a Jerusalem compound that is sacred to Muslims and Jews alike have also been triggers for violence.
 
The synagogue attack was the worst in the city since 2008, when a Palestinian gunman shot dead eight people in a religious seminary school in the city.
 
Media reports said one of the synagogue attackers was armed with a gun and a hospital spokesman said two people were being treated for gunshot wounds, but police did not immediately confirm that either of the attackers fired a gun.

 

http://www.reuters.c...N0J20E220141118


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 0652 AM

Celebrations in Gaza, already with a poster of the terrorists:

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Still celebrating, with sweets..

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And the "heros" protecting what is not, and never was, a Mosque..

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 0854 AM

Clear the neighbourhood, deport all non-nationals to Gaza or the West Bank. Compensate property owners at fair market value and redevelop. Another few blocks cleared.


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1210 PM

Abbas’ Temple denial

Dore Gold, March 2, 2012

http://www.israelhay...ion.php?id=1468

 

"Speaking in Qatar on Feb. 26, at an Arab League conference, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas [Abu Mazen] resumed the Palestinian attack on the historical Jewish connection to Jerusalem. This diplomatic strategy began with his predecessor, Yasser Arafat, who questioned whether the Temple ever existed at the end of the July 2000 Camp David summit: “There is nothing there.” Then U.S. President Bill Clinton was stunned. Arafat then asserted that Solomon’s Temple was in Nablus, not in Jerusalem. Two years later in leading pan-Arab newspaper al-Hayat, Arafat continued: “They found not a single stone proving the Temple was there ...”

A month after Camp David, Abbas himself continued with Arafat’s ideological position on the Temple in an Israeli-Arab weekly, adding: “... they claim that 2,000 years ago they had a temple. I challenge the claim that this is so.” In fact, many of the leaders of the Palestinian Authority, who are perceived as moderate in the West, also began repeating this same theme. Nabil Shaath spoke to al-Ayyam and spoke about the Israeli claim that “its fictitious temple” once stood in Jerusalem.

Chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erekat, also declared: “For Islam, there never was a Temple at al-Quds, but a ‘distant mosque.’” Yasser Abd Rabbo told Le Monde, in September 2000, “There was no archaeological evidence that the Temple ever existed on the Temple Mount.” He added during an appearance on Palestinian television, broadcast on March 16, 2010, that Israel was planning to build “the false Temple” in order “to fulfill a legend.”

Now, Abbas is once again renewing this line of attack in Qatar, challenging whether there was any proof of Jewish historical claims. “Despite all the enormous capabilities that the occupation authorities made available to the extremists who engage in never-ending digging [and] threaten to make al-Aqsa look less significant and vindicate the Israeli narrative, they have failed miserably.” After making this point, he added that the Israeli authorities “were preparing models of what they call the Temple, in order to build it on the ruins of al-Aqsa.”

It was noticeable that Abbas could not bring himself to make reference to the Temple as a historical fact, but had to say “what they call the Temple,” which indicated he was not prepared to say it had ever existed. He also adopted the decades-old lie that Israel had a plan to endanger the al-Aqsa mosque.

Since Arafat first told Clinton that there never was a Temple, there has been a full-scale effort over the last decade, on the part of the Palestinian leadership, to make this idea of Temple denial take root through programs on Palestinian television, articles in the official Palestinian Authority newspapers, and mosque sermons that aim to deny the historical Jewish connection to Jerusalem. In 2009, Palestinian religious leaders repeatedly declared that no evidence had been found that could prove a historical Jewish connection to Jerusalem or that the Temple had ever existed.

The great irony of this new Palestinian version of Jerusalem’s history is that it contradicts the original Islamic tradition. Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Jarir al-Tabari (839-923 CE) was a leading commentator on the Quran and is known as one of Islam’s greatest historians. In his account of the conquest of Jerusalem by the second caliph, Umar bin al-Khattab, al-Tabari describes him heading toward “the area where the Romans buried the Temple [bayt al-maqdis] at the time of the sons of Israel.”

What is also striking about the current Palestinian campaign to deny the Jewish connection to Jerusalem is the fact that Umar himself allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem, after the Romans and Byzantines kept them away for 500 years. As late as 1935, the Supreme Muslim Council in Jerusalem, under the notorious mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, actually published a guidebook that gave the history of the Temple Mount, establishing that “its identification with the site of Solomon’s Temple is beyond dispute.”

So what is going on here? This is not just a question of education. If during one of his many trips to Rome, Abbas actually went to the Arch of Titus and viewed the engravings of the looted vessels from the Temple, including the Menorah, being carried in a Roman victory parade, it would not change his mind. Nor would it help if Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan guided Abbas to a museum in Istanbul to see a 2,000-year-old plaque from the Temple Mount warning foreigners not to enter the Temple area (Erdogan may not even be aware of what is in this Turkish museum). Ultimately, this is not a matter of establishing what is historical truth. Instead, the almost obsessive Palestinian preoccupation with denying Israel’s ties to Jerusalem is actually a new kind of political warfare they have decided to wage.

The Palestinians keenly understand the importance of Jerusalem to Israel – perhaps better than some on the Israeli side. They know that, historically, Jerusalem has had an essential role to play in the formation of Israeli identity. In any military struggle, a clear strategic objective is to strike at an adversary’s “center of gravity,” after which its collapse would be almost inevitable. Abbas’ envoy to Lebanon, Abbas Zaki, said on May 7, 2009, that if Israel were to withdraw from Jerusalem, the Zionist idea would begin to collapse. Thus, the purpose of their present assault on Jerusalem’s history is to strike at Israel’s “center of gravity” and weaken the foundations of the Jewish state.

The Palestinian Authority leaders have observed that most of the assertions they have made about Israel in recent years – like comparing it to apartheid South Africa – eventually get accepted without question or criticism. They have every reason to hope that the denial of the historical Jewish connection to Jerusalem will gain supporters worldwide.

Israel needs to understand the contours of the new battle that has been imposed on it. It needs to insist that its representatives understand and learn for themselves Israel’s historical rights. These rights were well known to the generation of Abba Eban and Chaim Herzog, but unfortunately they have been forgotten in the recent past – at a time when they have become more relevant for the defense of Israel than ever."


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#850 DADI

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1250 PM

Clear the neighbourhood, deport all non-nationals to Gaza or the West Bank. Compensate property owners at fair market value and redevelop. Another few blocks cleared.

 

Yes, but then...

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And 

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Not to mention

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Would express "deep Concern"...


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1302 PM

So...you would still have the neighbourhood. Every time they do it...clear another neighbourhood. Soon..no more Pals in Jerusalem. Ground truth.
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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1422 PM

Clear the neighbourhood, deport all non-nationals to Gaza or the West Bank. Compensate property owners at fair market value and redevelop. Another few blocks cleared.

 

You mean "Arabs" surely? Lieberman does:

 

http://www.haaretz.c...efense/1.567063


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1508 PM

 

Clear the neighbourhood, deport all non-nationals to Gaza or the West Bank. Compensate property owners at fair market value and redevelop. Another few blocks cleared.

 

You mean "Arabs" surely? Lieberman does:

 

http://www.haaretz.c...efense/1.567063

 

 

Retac21: You mean "deportation" surely? Lieberman doesn't...

 

If you find the idea of annexing towns and villages of self declared "Palestinians", also known as Israeli Arabs, to their Palestinian nation state, disturbing... Well so do the great majority of Israeli Arabs, that enjoy the benefits of living in democratic free state, while some can still exercise their hobby and religious calling  - Killing Jews. 


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1559 PM

No, Simon says deportation. You confuse your wishes with my words. When Jews kill Arabs is also a "hobby"? or a "religious calling"?


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1626 PM

It depends..  

CNN chose to report the "Terror Attack" in Jerusalem as 4 Israelis and 2 Palestinians dead...

 

The "Terror Attack" Follows a "disputed" death of a Palestinian bus driver.

The "disputed death" describes a guy that committed suicide by hanging, as both Israeli and Palestinian Pathologists stated... But then became disputed after the dead guy's family said he was killed by Jews and there for he is not a disturbed individual but a Shahid..Of course the Palestinian Pathologist changed his mind after a phone cal from the PA - And there you have it... 

 

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 1631 PM

No, Simon says deportation. You confuse your wishes with my words. When Jews kill Arabs is also a "hobby"? or a "religious calling"?

 

I don't know...  Rare, perhaps?


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 2010 PM

Non Nationals is sensible. Deporting Israelis is more tricky. You suck as a Zionist oppressor.
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Posted 18 November 2014 - 2012 PM

A non national has residency with strings attached. Ask Gulf Arabs.
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 0357 AM

Palestinian defending himself from two murderous Jewish shoppers.  

 

 

Meanwhile 

 

It is being whispered in the media that Obama is planning to sanction Israel. 

 

The Obama administration has not denied reports that the White House was mulling sanctions on Israel for construction on Jewish homes in Jerusalem. tate Department spokeswoman Marie Harf refused to comment on several questions posed on Thursday on the reports doing rounds in the internet that the administration had held a secret meeting to discuss taking action against Israel for its ongoing construction activity in East Jerusalem, reports Free Beacon.

The classified meetings were held several weeks ago and were attended by officials from both the State Department and White House, according to Israeli daily Haaretz, which was the first to report on the issue.

The fact that the administration was possibly considering sanctions against Israel for its ongoing construction came as a surprise to many and signified that the Obama administration was willing to denounce Israel more than previously thought.

It should be noted that Israel is a major US ally in the Middle East and has supported the country over several issues including the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip that killed thousands of Palestinians this summer. "I'm obviously not going to comment one way or another on reported internal deliberations," Harf said declining to take a stance while asked to address the reports on Thursday afternoon.

 

"We've made clear our position on settlement activity publicly and that hasn't changed."

 

 

Asked if the White House was going further than just harsh rhetoric against Israel, Harf again dodged the question saying she would not "address hypotheticals."

The Haaretz report quoted one senior Israeli official as saying "White House officials held a classified discussion a few weeks ago about the possibility of taking active measures against the settlements."

The official added that the discussion about levying sanctions on Israel had begun after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's October visit to the White House and the subsequent war of words between Washington and Jerusalem over settlement construction.

"If these reports are true, this world mark a new era of unprecedented hostility from the White House against our strongest ally in the Middle East," one senior congressional aide said, according to the report. "It's impossible not to notice the irony of the administration mulling sanctions on Israel while threatening to veto new sanctions against Iran.

"The president should be forewarned that taking such action against Israel would yield tremendous pushback from Congress."

 

 

http://www.ibtimes.c...erusalem-616208


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Posted 23 February 2015 - 1601 PM

Interesting verdict:

 

http://www.jpost.com...t/Terror-391923

 

Ending a saga dating back to the end of the Second Intifada in 2004, a US jury on Monday handed down a historic verdict against the Palestinian Authority for involvement in six terror attacks from that time period, charging them with $655.5 million in damages.

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