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#1 rmgill

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1338 PM

Here's a general Firearms thread for objects of note.

Seen on the High Road.org:

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Visiting here to let folks know about our latest
big wildcat cartridge.First it was developed by Rob,John
and I over on AR big bore forum.It is a long brass case
made from bmg brass that we put a 12ga size rim on.Rob and
John used a Borchardt falling block action and I used a
Savage 210 bolt action shotgun that I put heavy barrel and
and stock on..In testing I got a 730 gr Dixie hard lead slug
out at 2700 fps.Got a 3/4 oz barnes sabot out at 3900.
Here is picture of our case next to a plastic 12ga shell,
which can also be fired in our chambers.Ed.



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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1510 PM

...sometimes a cigar is a cigar...and sometimes, some guys are making up for something...and by "something", I mean either a small penis or impotency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat

Chauchat = possibly the worst industrial production...not only of machine gun specifically, or even fire arms in general...thing that I could possibly think off.

Legendary even today in how utterly awful it was, which is the only impressive thing about...seeing as its a WWI "weapon" Posted Image though I use the term loosely.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1522 PM

OK, somebody's gotta do it, so here goes...
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Glock.

:P

Edited by shep854, 26 September 2011 - 1523 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1547 PM

I offer the Puckle Gun. Square bullets for the Turk and all (maybe it's best feature)

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Also the same google image search provided this pearl:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-barreled_cannon

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Concept
In 1862 John Gilleland, dentist, builder and mechanic, designed the only known double-barreled cannon in existence. It was cast in Athens, Georgia, for a cost of $350. The two barrels have a divergence of 3 degrees, and the cannon was designed to shoot simultaneously two cannon balls connected with a chain to "mow the enemy down like scythe cuts wheat". Shooting cannon balls connected with a chain was commonly done in naval warfare, but these chain-shots were fired from a single barrel and were designed to cut down the enemy ship's masts and rigging.

Execution
Gilleland's invention was a failure. On 22 April 1862, the cannon was tested for the first time. The cannon was aimed at a target of two upright poles, but uneven detonation of the powder and casting imperfections in the barrels gave the connected balls a spinning movement in an off-center direction, destroying a cornfield and damaging some trees before the chain broke and one ball damaged a chimney and the other one killed a cow. It was reported that "the observers scattered as though the entire Yankee Army had been turned loose in that vicinity".



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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1558 PM

OK, somebody's gotta do it, so here goes...
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Glock.

:P



Good man!


My nominee is anything designed by David Dardick, and more precisely, the "tround" guns.

http://blog.modernme.../versatile-gun/

http://en.wikipedia..../Dardick_tround

Edited by Doug Kibbey, 26 September 2011 - 1611 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1624 PM

The Webley-Fosbery Self-Cocking Automatic Revolver is a charming example of British firearms nuttiness:
http://en.wikipedia....omatic_Revolver
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Nambu Type 94, http://en.wikipedia...._Type_94_pistol

Edited by shep854, 26 September 2011 - 1626 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1818 PM

The Webley-Fosbery Self-Cocking Automatic Revolver is a charming example of British firearms nuttiness:
http://en.wikipedia....omatic_Revolver
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How dare you insult BP's hero!

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Chauchat = possibly the worst industrial production...not only of machine gun specifically, or even fire arms in general...thing that I could possibly think off.


Actually, modern day range tests w/ decent 8mm ammo point to possible industrial sabotage - those with properly reamed barrel chambers run well.
The .30-06 ones ... meh.

Source, please - http://www.booktrail...nourBound.aspg]

I'll give you a suck ass weapon

http://en.wikipedia....M85_machine_gun

Edited by X-Files, 26 September 2011 - 1823 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 1933 PM

I'll give you a suck ass weapon

http://en.wikipedia....M85_machine_gun



Bad as it was, the M73/219 was worse.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 2112 PM

...

http://en.wikipedia....M85_machine_gun



Bad as it was, the M73/219 was worse.


Oh ye of little faith. Sad that you had a bad experience of The weapons of Uncle Sam at your end. I must have been the only GI that had a working M85 and a working M73. Strange :P

Agree on the 219

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 2210 PM

Also the same google image search provided this pearl:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-barreled_cannon

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Bah! Wussies!
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http://2.bp.blogspot...rrel Cannon.JPG

Edited by Luke Y, 26 September 2011 - 2210 PM.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 2233 PM

The Webley-Fosbery Self-Cocking Automatic Revolver is a charming example of British firearms nuttiness:
http://en.wikipedia....omatic_Revolver
----
Nambu Type 94, http://en.wikipedia...._Type_94_pistol

Actually a very good weapon for other than field use.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 2328 PM

Good man!


My nominee is anything designed by David Dardick, and more precisely, the "tround" guns.

http://blog.modernme.../versatile-gun/

http://en.wikipedia..../Dardick_tround


I'd have to disagree with you. The basic "tround" concept is workable, but it's a case where the materials technology just hasn't caught up with the basic design. Couple the Tround ammunition handling and rotary chamber with a caseless cartridge, and the helical magazine concept pioneered by Calico, and you might have a decent stab at an alternative to the HK G11. I have heard rumors that the initial design by HK for the G11 was highly derivative of this idea, and the only reason they went with the clockwork nightmare they eventually settled on was that the Dardick patents were held by a large US defense company that wanted way too much money for them. That, and the same thing that drove the downfall of the Wankel engines--Sealing the two sides of the "breech".

Problem is, Dardick was way ahead of his time, and the materials technology and chemistry just isn't there to enable his ideas to work. Yet. Give it another twenty years, and we may see some of his ideas in another format.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0202 AM

Bah! Wussies!

http://sitelife.avia...3c9827.Full.jpg


I fear someone in that design bureau has been playing too much Command & Conquer. :)

Edited by Chris Werb, 27 September 2011 - 0203 AM.


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0509 AM

Experimental 3pdr model 1722:
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Karelin's steam gun:
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Early 1800's twin gun:
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Schuvalov's "secret" howitzer:
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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0810 AM

What is the possible advantage of square bullets and shells?

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0821 AM

I'd have to disagree with you. The basic "tround" concept is workable, but it's a case where the materials technology just hasn't caught up with the basic design. Couple the Tround ammunition handling and rotary chamber with a caseless cartridge, and the helical magazine concept pioneered by Calico, and you might have a decent stab at an alternative to the HK G11. I have heard rumors that the initial design by HK for the G11 was highly derivative of this idea, and the only reason they went with the clockwork nightmare they eventually settled on was that the Dardick patents were held by a large US defense company that wanted way too much money for them. That, and the same thing that drove the downfall of the Wankel engines--Sealing the two sides of the "breech".

Problem is, Dardick was way ahead of his time, and the materials technology and chemistry just isn't there to enable his ideas to work. Yet. Give it another twenty years, and we may see some of his ideas in another format.



Innovation is something that is either capitalized on by the developer, or taken to new heights by others at a later time. Later would be, well....now. It's been 50 years. There is nothing inherently virtuous about being "unique" in concept...there are many unique failures. I have unique plans for a square wheel and a ten-sided stop sign (plus I plan to charge about double existing prices), but they don't seem to be going anywhere. Dardick's design was an abject failure for numerous reasons and demand was zero. That = failure. If you have a personal admiration for Dardick's designs, that's on you. I don't see the visionary figure there.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0834 AM

What is the possible advantage of square bullets and shells?


Easier storage without all the empty space around? :ph34r:

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0852 AM

Gyrojet


or perhaps the Kampfpistole - the first and only anti-tank pistol

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0852 AM

What is the possible advantage of square bullets and shells?


The idea was to have round bore barrels shooting round bullets when the weapon was used against Christian armies (making clean wounds) while using square bore barrels shooting square bullets when used against "Turks" (non-Christian) armies (making nastier wounds).

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 0902 AM

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or perhaps the Kampfpistole - the first and only anti-tank pistol


The basic design of the Kampfpistole was the Leuchtpistole which was used to fire colored signal cartridges as well as a "whistling" cartridge for use as a gas alarm. Later, the bore was rifled and a sight provided to allow firing of a HE grenade and two smoke grenades. The Sturmpistole was a Kampfpistole with a folding stock and liner to permit firing a hollow charge grenade.

After entering Russia and meeting up with Russian armor, the Germans were trying to find AT rounds for every weapon in their inventory.




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