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#481 BansheeOne

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Posted 07 December 2018 - 0348 AM

Case in point: The new battalion has now been stated to become part of PzGren Brigade 37. Which is sound, since the brigade currently lacks tanks. It's just that it's based in East Germany, and its new battalion will be on the other side of the republic ...

 

Gah, I mixed up PzGren Brigades 37 and 41. It's the latter that has no tank battalion, and will remain so after this; so strike the "sound" part from the above, too.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 0401 AM

Tankless PzGren are traditional. At least they aren't Mot Schutz. Bring back the StuG or at least KaJaPa....my favoritest AFV evar.
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Posted 07 December 2018 - 0413 AM

We got to ride in the artillery observation version of the Jagdpanzer-Kanone a couple of times, Simon.


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Posted 07 December 2018 - 0431 AM

Tankless PzGren are traditional. At least they aren't Mot Schutz. Bring back the StuG or at least KaJaPa....my favoritest AFV evar.


In the Bundeswehr during the cold war PzGren often meant two PzGrenBtl and one PzBtl per brigade, but in newer structures it had not much meaning at all. More traditional how a cpombar brigade started life.


We got to ride in the artillery observation version of the Jagdpanzer-Kanone a couple of times, Simon.


Yes. Exceptfor a few kept for museums most have been converted into either forward observer or Jaguar 2 (the simple TOW carrier).

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Posted 08 December 2018 - 0045 AM

Jaguar 2 is crap. RaJaPa is beautiful. KaJaPa is best.
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Posted 27 December 2018 - 0715 AM

At that pace we'll be lucky to get over 190,000 by the new target date, unless admission of EU citizens is in fact realized.

 

The topic just got washed up again, though according to Bundeswehr inspector general Eberhard Zorn thought is focussed on recruiting EU citizens for high-demand positions like surgeons and IT specialists. Unsurprisingly, EU countries whose citizens might find that offer attractive are reportedly not too happy about this idea, since it might increase the brain drain of specialists the Eastern European members in particular are suffering already as is with the lure of better pay in the civilian market out west. However, the plans are reportedly aimed at EU citizens who have lived in Germany for several years already and are fluent in German.


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Posted 27 December 2018 - 1109 AM

However, the plans are reportedly aimed at EU citizens who have lived in Germany for several years already and are fluent in German.


So the Fatherland is not going to be defended by Poles, Czechs, Slovaks and Belgians? Looks like the Yanks need to continue to "carry" us then. :)
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Posted 05 January 2019 - 0708 AM

Lechfeld, about 20 kilometers west of Munich, has been officially designated the base for the extra 13 A400M out of the already-reduced order of 53 which were originally planned to be sold on to foreign customers, but didn't find any buyers. The replacement plan has been to use them for a multinational squadron since 2017, with the Czech Republic and Hungary named as possible partners, suggesting a South German base. However, all remains quiet on that; by current reports, a group of about 500 personnel subordinated to Luftwaffe Airlift Wing 62 (which will operate the 40 other aircraft in Wunstorf, Lower Saxony) will be stood up in Lechfeld from 2025. The wing is currently expecting the 25th of the type to be delivered.


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 1135 AM

No Hilfwi?
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Posted 05 January 2019 - 1729 PM

None Simon, or at least none from outside Europe.  Unpack your luggage.  :D   


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 1954 PM

Why? When they have Americans who do it unpaid?
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 0427 AM

The Bundeswehr will reactivate five materiél and three ammunition depots which had been slated to be or already shut down between 2020 and 2031. This involves 600 personnel and cost of 200 million Euro.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0701 AM

I always loved the depot at KRIEGSFELD. :D

 

 

Meanwhile Ursula von der Leyen brings 100 night vision goggles to Versorgungsbataillon 141 personally, who are part of VJTF(L) 2019. HOw generous delivering goggles that should have been there in the first place...

 

 

 

And the Gorch Fock repair costs spiral ever more out of control.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0815 AM

An unexpected cost increase of an overhaul of € 10,- million to € 135,- million is indeed a tad much. https://www.dw.com/e...airs/a-47068441

 

Those large naval academy sailing ships of another age have always appeared to me to be overly expensive vanity projects. 


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 1231 PM

It doesn't help that a civil servant at Wilhelmshaven Navy Arsenal responsible for cost-checking the overhaul was found to have gotten two six-digit grants with no apparent stipulations for repay by the shipyard and another involved company - but only after he indicted himself last month, saying that he had gotten in financial trouble over a private housebuilding project.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 1333 PM

I like this phrasing:

 

"The Gorch Fock is a modified replica of an older vessel"

 

The older vessel being one built for the Kriegsmarine and named for Albert Leo Schlageter a militant German right wing nationalist.


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Posted 19 January 2019 - 1337 PM

I like this phrasing:
 
"The Gorch Fock is a modified replica of an older vessel"
 
The older vessel being one built for the Kriegsmarine and named for Albert Leo Schlageter a militant German right wing nationalist.

 
Not really. there were six ships built of the Gorch Fock class

 

  • Gorch Fock (original, after sailing for USSR and Ukraine back in Germany as Gorch Fock again http://gorchfock1.de/)
  • Horst Wessel (USCGC Eagle)
  • albert Leo Schlageter (sold to brasil after WW2, then on to Portugal as NRP Sagres)
  • Mircea (built for Romanian Navy, ironically rented by the German navy to fill the gap)
  • Herbert norkus (not completed, sunk after the war loaded with gas in Skagerrak)
  • Gorch Fock (recycled unused parts and rigg of the Norkus after the war)

After more than half a century she is just rusty and old and worn out. In the last big overhaul mistakes were made that acutllay increased corrosion. Get rid of it and build a new sailing ship with an eye on at least half a century of service with modern accomodations, safety measures etc. even crew members have said so. Nostalgia is undue. We could have bought a whole fleet for the millions dumped into her by now. I bet Damen shipbuilding would offer a discount when buying more than one. :glare:
 
https://products.dam...raining-vessels
 
 
 

An unexpected cost increase of an overhaul of € 10,- million to € 135,- million is indeed a tad much. https://www.dw.com/e...airs/a-47068441
 
Those large naval academy sailing ships of another age have always appeared to me to be overly expensive vanity projects.

 
Not really that expensive. The cadets have to be trained anyway so there are enough hands. Compared to a war ship a sailing ship is much cheaper to maintain and sail. Also the team building and experiencing the ocean should not be discounted. Also they are always good for visiting abroad and making friends.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 1656 PM

I do not see what particular valuable experience or relevant education the cadets would derive from these sailing ships that would not be available in the rest of the fleet. Merchant navy officers dont go sailing on an expensive tall-ship to prepare for their future careers. The retention of these ships is pure tradition and horribly expensive as the article demonstrates.

For a navy that would be hard pressed to put even a single working submarine to sea, spending 135 million on an obsolete sailing vessel is mismanagement. If one would be interested in a budget conscience choice for a sailing vessel, take a look at the Dutch Navy that has a small 80t ship for its cadets, the Urania. It is not that the German navy is that much larger anyway.

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