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#21 Josh

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 1502 PM

The idea was that actual mine recon and sweeps would be done by off board platforms such the the ship itself never needed to operate in a mine field. Clearly it didn't work out that way. But I doubt the USN will build dedicated mine sweepers again regardless. The LCS should be discontinued as soon as practical and used for patrols where other navy ships would be over kill, like the horn of Africa, Persian Gulf, or Caribbean. Four are positioned in Singapore; they might find some use attached to USN formations that get harassed by the PRC coast guard/militia. Their speed might actually be useful in some circumstances.


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#22 Yama

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Posted 04 June 2019 - 1512 PM

I think back to the US Navy of the 1970's which was REALLY stretched, and still with aging, WW2 build equipment. And thats the Navy that ultimately gave the Nimitz class Carrier, the 688 class attack submarine, the Aegis Cruiser (and destroyer), the F14, the F18, and, possibly the most usefully, the Spruance class destroyer.


I'll ire many, but I'll go out and say that Sprucans were overrated. They sure had many things done right, but also major lessons how NOT to design ships. They were dead-end in many ways and had relatively short career. Now Perrys, on the other hand, there was useful surface combatant design, and very widely imitated.
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#23 Ken Estes

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 0120 AM

The same things could have been said about PT boats in the USN. But in WWII, anything with armament found a place in the OB.


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#24 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 0243 AM

 

I have a lot of respect for the USN, but at present it looks uncomfortably close to disarray. They introduce a new carrier that was supposed to be cheaper and less expensive than the predecessors, and it wasnt. It has a catapult system still being debugged. It has an air wing that is unsuitable for long range operations against china, which it expects to do. It has no long range tanker, which it withdrew less than 5 years ago due to budget cuts. And it has had no fleet defence fighter since it lost Tomcat back in 2006. And that's before we get onto the problems of collisions among the escorts.
 
Well, the only way is up from here, lets be positive.


You forgot the most advanced 155mm naval gun in the world, which has no ammo for it...
USN feels it needs to come up with new ideas and technologies to justify funding, which inevitably leads to concepts which are revolutionary for sake of being revolutionary.

 

My bad.

 

The success of the RN was that it was not revolutionary. It usually waited till someone came along, innovated, then they went and bought it when the bugs were worked out. Something the USN probably ought to be doing right now. All their R and D effort is doing is making the PRC's growth easier.

 

One of the few times they didnt was with Dreadnought, and it made most of the British fleet obsolescent overnight. Not such a smart move in retrospect.


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 05 June 2019 - 0244 AM.

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#25 shep854

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 0801 AM

The same things could have been said about PT boats in the USN. But in WWII, anything with armament found a place in the OB.

Given how much armament was packed on the PTs when they started barge hunting, becoming very useful shallow-draft gunboats, another comparison might be the frigates and corvettes acquired for low-risk open water patrol.


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#26 Colin

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 1303 PM

LCS was supposed to be multi-role and be a littoral warship that is transoceanic, an almost impossible compromise.   


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#27 rmgill

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 1619 PM

A Ginsu Knife in other words. 


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#28 Nobu

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0015 AM

A Romulan Sparrowhawk light cruiser.


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#29 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0716 AM

there's an obscure reference!


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#30 shep854

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 0853 AM

LCS was supposed to be multi-role and be a littoral warship that is transoceanic, an almost impossible compromise.   

Don't forget highly automated, low maintenance, and small crew...

Oh,and FAST!!


Edited by shep854, 06 June 2019 - 0854 AM.

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