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#1 Dawes

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Posted 15 May 2020 - 1114 AM

To withstand the "high sink rates" associated with carrier operations, would any existing trainer need structural strengthening?

 

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Posted 16 May 2020 - 1311 PM

T-45 was bit of a disaster, but otoh now they want land-based aircraft, so perhaps conversion is easier this time.


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Posted 19 May 2020 - 0500 AM

T-45 was bit of a disaster, but otoh now they want land-based aircraft, so perhaps conversion is easier this time.

What makes the Goshawk a bit of a disaster? It's been in service for nearly 30 years now.
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Posted 19 May 2020 - 0523 AM

Getting it to service was bit of a disaster. It turned out that making a land aircraft fully carrier-capable was not as simple and cost-effective as originally thought and costs ballooned.

But Goshawk is fully carrier-capable and it seems that is not a requirement now.


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 1302 PM

Ah, so the programme was a disaster, not necessarily the aircraft.

 

My understanding was that at the time of Goshawk procurement, the USN wanted two variants, only one of which needed to be capable of carrier landings. They had to settle for one.


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 1439 PM

The Alpha Jet was the other competitor in that particular requirement. Not sure how that aircraft would have worked out.


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 0148 AM

The Soviets/Russians used a version of the Su25 for a carrier landing trainer. Didnt even need a tailhook, they were only worried approaches and landing spot.


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 0221 AM

The Soviets/Russians used a version of the Su25 for a carrier landing trainer. Didnt even need a tailhook, they were only worried approaches and landing spot.

Are you suggesting that the USN follows suit and repurposes A-10s as they are retired by the air force?  :D


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 0300 AM

Sounds good to me, then they can hose down the LSO with 30mm if he gives them a wave off.

 

I guess what im saying is, it might be ok just to have an aircraft with strong undercarriage, you dont necessarily have to have them with hooks if you are doing touch and goes. You dont really need that much in the way of skill to get shot off a CAT.


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 0358 AM

It would have been interesting to see an A-10 take off from or land on a carrier: if a C-130 could do it why not a Warthog?


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 0501 AM

My mind still boggles at the madness that was the carrier capable U2. You would have thought they would have considered Midair refuelling first.


Edited by Stuart Galbraith, 29 May 2020 - 0502 AM.

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Posted 29 May 2020 - 2103 PM

Neither the U-2 nor C-130 did it operationally, though.

 

Adapting a jet designed for land bases to carriers has always been a very difficult task.  The F-18 is an almost totally different aircraft than the YF-17.


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Posted 30 May 2020 - 2028 PM

Would I be correct to think that the only three Lockheed aircraft to have served in any capacity on an aircraft carrier (Apart from the Lockheed-Martin F35 of course) were the U-2, the C-130 and the P-2 Neptune? 

 

Oh, I have just remembered another - the T2V Seastar.


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Posted 31 May 2020 - 1037 AM

What about the S-3 Viking?


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Posted 31 May 2020 - 1135 AM

Neither the U-2 nor C-130 did it operationally, though.

 

Adapting a jet designed for land bases to carriers has always been a very difficult task.  The F-18 is an almost totally different aircraft than the YF-17.

I thought they used the Carrier U2 to spy on the French?


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Posted 31 May 2020 - 1157 AM

Apparently, the UK also had their own semi-autonomous U-2 unit.


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