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#241 Ivanhoe

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 1151 AM

Orwell supposedly said he didnt think 1984, as described would happen, but he did think something like it could happen. He was selling himself too short IMHO. The only thing he got wrong is that you can be an increasingly rich state, and still authoritarian.


The brilliance of Orwell is that he observed some trends and tendencies very early on, that enabled him to make some accurate projections.

Reminds me, in a way, of Ludwig von Mises and his economic and social critiques of socialism.
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Posted 18 August 2019 - 1241 PM

 

Im disappointed they have not raised the ROC flag....

 

They were never part of the Republic of China. They were a British Crown Colony at that time.  I do note they aren't flying the flag of the country that gave them to the PRC.

 

By now I've actually seen plenty of flags in the protests, including the British and Taiwanese.

 

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Posted 18 August 2019 - 1300 PM

It is becoming evident that the waving of flags by young Hongkongese in their cool black tees is not going to be enough to make this bureaucrat par excellance Carrie Lam buckle at the knees so to speak. 


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Posted 18 August 2019 - 1309 PM

 

 

Im disappointed they have not raised the ROC flag....

 

They were never part of the Republic of China. They were a British Crown Colony at that time.  I do note they aren't flying the flag of the country that gave them to the PRC.

 

By now I've actually seen plenty of flags in the protests, including the British and Taiwanese.

 

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Yep, at this point I have to reflect which flag is going to piss the PRC off the most. :D


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Posted 18 August 2019 - 1421 PM

The Chinese will attempt to wait HK out. I suspect they will be quite patient about it.
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Posted 19 August 2019 - 0024 AM

If the laser beams directed by young Hongkongese in their cool black tees into the eyes of the police are not enough to provoke them, I am at a loss as to what exactly would do so.

 

I also hope ANTIFA and the black bloc are not taking notes.


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 0811 AM

One can suggest that the Chinese government is entirely aware that a blood bath in HK would be counter to their interests in the short to medium term.

I posit that they hope to be tough enough to discourage any spread of sentiment to other urban centres, and it may be possible to find whether there are additional active measures to discourage potential activists outside of HK, beyond the religious concentration camps that are standard practice.
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Posted 19 August 2019 - 0847 AM

... beyond the religious concentration camps vocational schools that are standard practice.

 

FIFY.


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 0848 AM

I'm a little surprised they didn't cut basic services as a way to turn opinion against the protesters nonviolently.


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 0914 AM

One can suggest that the Chinese government is entirely aware that a blood bath in HK would be counter to their interests in the short to medium term.

I posit that they hope to be tough enough to discourage any spread of sentiment to other urban centres, and it may be possible to find whether there are additional active measures to discourage potential activists outside of HK, beyond the religious concentration camps that are standard practice.


Considering the events of Tiananmen, Tibet, the Uighurs, and the Vatican surrendering in the Patriotic Church affair, I think the Chinese govt practically does not care about repercussions, but keeps expanding the envelope, more or less carefully. Hong Kong is another slice of the salami - this time they are dealing with an urban, cosmopolitan environment having the most westernized population in China.


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1357 PM

I'm a little surprised they didn't cut basic services as a way to turn opinion against the protesters nonviolently.

 

I'd argue that the CPoC sees "governmental competence and efficiency" as their "brand's" "core statements". You don't want to be seen unable to render public services in the face of a handful of student/"terrorist" protestors/"counterrevolutionaries". Or they are divided/undecided yet what to do (but they could never admit that), so we're seeing a number of contingency plans until there's the one domino piece that sets everything else in motion, whichever direction it may go.


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1621 PM

CEO of airline Cathay Pacific did the right thing.
 

The Chinese government accused Cathay Pacific employees of participating in “illegal protests,” and requested that the airline start sharing all information about employees not only flying to China, but also passing through Chinese airspace.

Apparently this is also what led to Hogg’s resignation. According to media reports, China’s Civil Aviation Administration asked Hogg to hand over a list of Cathay Pacific employees who had participated in the protests.

According to these media sources, he did provide that report… but he put only put his own name on the list. Wow.

 
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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1645 PM

 

 

 

Im disappointed they have not raised the ROC flag....

 

They were never part of the Republic of China. They were a British Crown Colony at that time.  I do note they aren't flying the flag of the country that gave them to the PRC.

 

By now I've actually seen plenty of flags in the protests, including the British and Taiwanese.

 

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Yep, at this point I have to reflect which flag is going to piss the PRC off the most. :D

 

 

 

When the Taiwanese flag is present, is there even a contest? :unsure:


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1706 PM

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1739 PM

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1815 PM

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Interesting, I don't believe I have ever seen that flag before.


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1818 PM

China needs to crush this with force. Let the tanks roll and end this liberal up-rising. 


I'm noticing a trend here.
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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1839 PM


 


 


 


Im disappointed they have not raised the ROC flag....

 
They were never part of the Republic of China. They were a British Crown Colony at that time.  I do note they aren't flying the flag of the country that gave them to the PRC.
 
By now I've actually seen plenty of flags in the protests, including the British and Taiwanese.
 
image-1459792-860_galleryfree-fpyj-14597
 
image-1459794-860_galleryfree-xmtk-14597
 
image-1459819-860_galleryfree-uwjf-14598
 
Emak-Hong-Kong-190814e_2x.jpg?itok=u4Xjv
 
 
Yep, at this point I have to reflect which flag is going to piss the PRC off the most. :D
 
 
 
When the Taiwanese flag is present, is there even a contest? :unsure:

Rising Sun flags would create an interesting reaction. Mind yoy, that would be as likely as Israeli protesters flying Federal Republic of Germany flags.
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Posted 19 August 2019 - 1852 PM

What's notable is that we're seeing flags of western Imperial/Colonialism as more desirable than the assertion of Chinese Communist authority over Hong Kong. 

That's something that flies in the face of the Anti-western/Anti-Imperialist/Anti-colonial stance of the woke progressives. 


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Posted 19 August 2019 - 2044 PM

Does anyone here think having a US style armed populace in Hong Kong start to light up the security forces there would actually end well?  There's a place for self-serving fantasy, but I don't think playing Red Dawn in a city of 7 million people has a lot to commend it.


I'm confused. How is laying down and taking it as a dissident in a nation where they divide people up for spare body parts a good ending?

The ONLY way for it to end well for you PERSONALLY is to acquiesce to what the Chinese Government decides is proper to do and hope you're not part of the main stream of sending people off to gulags.

If your choice is fight and die, fight with guns, take some with you and die or be part of the moloch like machine, why is fighting with guns and dying considered bad?

True, the People of Hong Kong fighting the PRC police and government forces would be awful. A full on turn all the local shops into gun manufactures and fight with arms there in the streets would be bloody. BUT, what's in it for the Chinese if they destroy Hong Kong in doing so. It's a game of chicken. Hong Kong is MOST useful if it can make money. If it's destroyed in the process of an armed insurrection, how is that a win for the government?

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