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#1001 JWB

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Posted Yesterday, 11:02 AM

 

And by Reagan winning the Cold War, this set the stage for decreased DoD spending in subsequent years. Defense is a legitimate government spending priority that brings positive results.


Reagan didn't win the Cold War, the Soviet Union lost it. We have ex post knowledge about the Soviet Union's inner workings now instead of the wild CIA guesses and historians understood for more than two decades that the Soviet system had become unsustainable long before the 1980's.
They had military spending as if they were at war.

"Defense" is a legitimate spending purpose, usually. The problem is that Reagan's spending and today's DoD spending were and are mostly about "offense". The USN is about little but land attack. The USAF is about little but bombing. The U.S:Army and USMC had their focus on occupation duty training for 2004-2011 or so and one can easily see that their equipment (especially arty, dependence on ECM-vulnerable radio comms, almost complete lack of battlefield air defence) is not geared towards defending a nation against a 1st or 2nd rate aggressor. That's no legitimate spending purpose.

 

You don't believe in stabilization operations?


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Posted Yesterday, 11:32 AM

"stabilization" ops stabilise the preferred party in power, not much else. Moreover, this often perpetuates the conflict. Just look at the AFG insanity. Their war is in its 40th year!


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Posted Yesterday, 11:56 AM

"stabilization" ops stabilise the preferred party in power, not much else. Moreover, this often perpetuates the conflict. Just look at the AFG insanity. Their war is in its 40th year!

https://en.wikipedia...and_Herzegovina

The ongoing conflict in Afghanistan is cause by crime gangs and the Pakistan supported Taliban. Using that as an example to criticize stabilization is a non-sequitur because the country is not yet in the post conflict stage yet. I could add how stabilization ops prevented some European countries going communist after WW2 and succored South Korea into the modern capitalist republic of today. Japan too.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:51 PM

 

If Bogus had bothered to look at Reaganomics he would have realised that budget deficits were only minimally impacted by defence (increase of 126 Bn between 1980 and 1988) as debt increased by 1.853 Bn.


You never learn about your inability to argue facts, do you?

The DoD budget increase 1982-1988 accumulated to USD 773 billion without paying attention to interest on this increase.

https://www.american...efense-budgets/
https://www.statista...ted-to-the-dod/

I suppose thinking in accumulated figures is a bit too advanced math for you, RETAC.

 

 

The horror!, less than 50% of the debt that you said was caused by defence spending!

 

Speaking of math, did you check your sums? you got them wrong. You added Reagan's inherited budget...


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Posted Yesterday, 02:52 PM

"stabilization" ops stabilise the preferred party in power, not much else. Moreover, this often perpetuates the conflict. Just look at the AFG insanity. Their war is in its 40th year!

 

Much better to have planes flying into buildings.


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Posted Yesterday, 02:57 PM

Bosnia-Herzegovina wasn't stabilised much. They got done doing ethnic cleansing, then the fighting ceased.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:00 PM

Speaking of math, did you check your sums? you got them wrong. You added Reagan's inherited budget...


Well, much of the rest of the deficit stems from reducing taxes. I kind of mentioned that a couple times, but nobody expects you to understand.

 

There actually was a mistake on my part; the figures were in FY2012 dollars, so in nominal, not real, dollars. There's still no disputing that the DoD expansion contributed greatly tot he deficit.

Moreover, Saint Ronnie never existed; real Ronald Reagan increased taxes, ran huge deficits, had a recession after his tax cut, benefited of a dramatic FED interest rate drop and GREW THE GOVERNMENT.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:12 PM

Possibly, but not from low IQ.  I think in her case her idea of 'Equality' involves disfavored parties paying more.

 

This is interesting, and I would actually feel better about her having a low IQ in various ways.

 

A friend of mine has a card-carrying communist in-law who owns a restaurant and keeps most of the tips the waiters collect

 

The subculture of tipping, at least in the United States, is spiraling out of control. The entitlement that Ocasio-Cortez appears to be representative of is one of the reasons why in my view.


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#1009 JWB

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Posted Yesterday, 03:28 PM

Bosnia-Herzegovina wasn't stabilised much. They got done doing ethnic cleansing, then the fighting ceased.

Not true. NATO bombed the Bosnian Serbs into compliance.

http://www.airforcem...deliberate.aspx

https://en.wikipedia...eliberate_Force


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Posted Yesterday, 03:36 PM

Government spending should be measured as a percentage of GDP because that is the best way to determine how much stress is placed on the economy:

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Posted Yesterday, 07:54 PM

 

Speaking of math, did you check your sums? you got them wrong. You added Reagan's inherited budget...


Well, much of the rest of the deficit stems from reducing taxes. I kind of mentioned that a couple times, but nobody expects you to understand.

 

There actually was a mistake on my part; the figures were in FY2012 dollars, so in nominal, not real, dollars. There's still no disputing that the DoD expansion contributed greatly tot he deficit.

Moreover, Saint Ronnie never existed; real Ronald Reagan increased taxes, ran huge deficits, had a recession after his tax cut, benefited of a dramatic FED interest rate drop and GREW THE GOVERNMENT.

 

https://www.usgovern...2018USbf_XXbs2n

 

The DoD percentage of the federal budget was from 28% - 30% under President Carter. Under President Reagan it was from 29% to 32%.

 

The truth is Reagan improved American lives. The truth is the Democrats in the House ran up the deficit. 

Total federal revenues doubled from just over $517 billion in 1980 to more than $1 trillion in 1990. In constant inflation-adjusted dollars, this was a 28 percent increase in revenue. As a percentage of the gross domestic product (GDP), federal revenues declined only slightly from 18.9 percent in 1980 to 18 percent in 1990. Revenues from individual income taxes climbed from just over $244 billion in 1980 to nearly $467 billion in 1990.5 In inflation-adjusted dollars, this amounts to a 25 percent increase.

 

https://www.cato.org...s-budget-legacy


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Posted Yesterday, 08:05 PM

 

 

Reagan didn't win the Cold War, the Soviet Union lost it -- Same results . Different lessons, though.The spending surge of the 80's, making Afghanistan worse and being hawkish to the point of Soviets fearing we would attack during Able Archer 83 was not really necessary.

Not the statement you posted. Hindsight in this case pretty much agrees with Reagan's foresight on the future of the liberal Soviet Union. 

 

today's DoD spending were and are mostly about "offense". -- Old sayings "If you want peace, prepare for war." The best defense is a good offence." One-liners don't qualify was evidence. Mine do. There are members of this Grate Site who have forgotten more about military history than I will know, but I do not know of a country that won a war by being on the defense.

Moreover, your one-liners don't help finding an optimum spending level. This is decided by the U.S. government, not you. 

This is similar as with the tax cut nonsense; ideology that only recommends "less" or "more" is useless becuase it's wrong once you pass the optimum. You need an idea how to identify the optimum or at least rules to learn whether you#re above or below. The one-directionalism of Republican ideologies does not offer that.  You cannot explain what you are stating as you do not know what you are saying. 

And BTW, this is where you guys could actually criticize AOC; "100%" carbon-free energy is obvious nonsense, and she didn't identify an optimum or how to find the optimum. An economist could recommend a marginal rate of CO2 equivalent savings per 1,000 $ spent as the guidance.

 

 ...almost complete lack of battlefield air defence) -- In the U.S. it is called the United States Air Force and to a lesser degree the United States Navy. Yeah, and that's insufficient. There will be a rude awakening. F-22s don't intercept autonomous 50,000 $ 20 kg killer drones. I'm sure the U.S.A.F. is awaiting your scientific knowledge on this.  

 

Now, back to the economic success of states like North Carolina, Tennessee and probably the greatest state ever -- Indiana, on reduce spending and tax cuts. And the coming moral and financial decline of the People's Republic of California. 

Liberalism is not about success as it is a moral failure first and an economic failure second.

That's what you claim, but you don't prove it. Your statement of hyperpartisan belief is irrelevant. On top of that, you mis-use the well-defined political theory term "liberalism" where you meant "social democracy". Read prior posts. And no my Teutonic friend, in the U.S. it is accurately called liberalism. From the great American economist Thomas Sowell " Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."

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#1013 JWB

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Posted Yesterday, 08:11 PM

Hey look! UK education spending flew out of control:

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Except it didn't.


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Posted Yesterday, 08:34 PM

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Posted Yesterday, 08:44 PM

Deficit spending is not caused by not taxing enough.  It's right there in the wording of the term, it is SPENDING beyond means.  Every single dollar or Euro  could be taxed, a 100% tax rate on the first and every dollar thereafter, and if the taxing authority spent more than they received there would be deficit spending.  It isn't because they didn't tax enough, it is because they SPENT too much.


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spent too much on stupid shit...


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