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#101 DaveDash

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 0119 AM

Right

I have a relatively new macbook pro. Also a HP laptop. And a desktop PC.

I run:

SME Linux
Vista
Windows XP
MacOS 10.5

I work as a senior IT engineer at a multi billion dollar company, part of what I do deals with more and more XP -> Vista migrations by using Altiris.

I could write a huge essay on Vista, but Im going to be brief

1. Vista + Underspecced PC = Horrible
2. Vista + SP1 + Grunty Machine = Fantastic.

I run Vista on my macbook pro and I can say it runs fantastic. Shock Horror - it's actually more stable than MacOS 10.5. The biggest issue with Vista is that it takes a lot of out of the box configuration to get it to a state that is user friendly.

My girlfriend runs it on a PoS underspecced Toshiba laptop, like so many other people I imagine, and it runs terrible. Everyone likes to harp on about RAM, but I found anything with a bad video card actually, which is 90% of computers and laptops out there, really struggle with vista. Disabling the visual theme and giving it a basic look actually improves the Vista experience significantly.

YMMV

Regarding the whole Linux debate raging on earlier, let me just say ease of use (out of the box) Linux distributions such as SME are starting to be a real threat to SBS and are having a big impact for such things as plug and play firewall/routers/whatever for the SME market. Ease of use Linux as a desktop is still far away, but I wouldn't count it out, however why go to all that trouble when you can just get a mac which is effectively just that.

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#102 TheSilentType

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 1324 PM

BTW, I installed Ubuntu linux to dual boot my XP laptop, and Ubuntu works great! Other than games, Ubuntu has everything I'll need (Open Offices does .doc files too). No Vista here, not at all. Vista has become the Windows (blow)ME of operating systems.


I recently did the same thing on an old computer of mine (Sempron 2600). Ubuntu seemed a bit slow, but Xubuntu runs extremely well. I haven't really played around with it much, one of the first things I'll have to look into is if it's true that Linux can now safely read and write to NTFS partitions.
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Posted 30 August 2008 - 1507 PM

I was talking to a specialist who works for Sybase....Also not a person who would lie to me.
He told me that Sybase has not yet approved Vista for company use due to stability issues. He also said that Oracle states the same thing.
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Posted 16 September 2008 - 0454 AM

I have a new Pavillion Slimline s3400t, with Pentium Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz, 3 Gigs of RAM and a GeForce 8400.

I'm running Vista (PC is just out of the box), and it's horribly unstable (play MP3 or Browse the wrong website = BSOD, 50% of the time).

Apparently Vista and Nvidia don't get along...

Any ideas?


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Posted 16 September 2008 - 0706 AM

I have a new Pavillion Slimline s3400t, with Pentium Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz, 3 Gigs of RAM and a GeForce 8400.

I'm running Vista (PC is just out of the box), and it's horribly unstable (play MP3 or Browse the wrong website = BSOD, 50% of the time).

Apparently Vista and Nvidia don't get along...

Any ideas?
Falken


Wow, that's bad. First thing to do is go to HP's website and rummage around their support area, see if this is a common problem. Might just be a heat/power thing; if you're BSODing when the CPU is loaded, that can be insufficient power to the mobo/CPU, a heat thing on the CPU, etc.

One thing to try is to boot into Safe Mode, and try to spend as much time exercising it as you can (given the limitations that you'll be using VGA graphics, no audio, no network, etc). Maybe install some freeware and play with it; anything to exercise the CPU and RAM. If you can't get a BSOD in Safe Mode, its probably a driver thing. Then try Safe Mode with Networking, and VGA Mode.

You could also try booting off a Linux Live CD, and again exercise the hell out of it. If you can get a BSOD when running Live, that would tell you its hardware and not Vista.
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#106 SCFalken

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 1356 PM

Safe Mode is impervious to BSOD (zero crashes). Word is that it is indeed a driver problem (nvlddmkm reports a stop and recovery, quite often). But no fixes (and, according to the ocforums.com gang, it's been an issue for about a year now)....

Observe: http://www.ocforums....ad.php?t=518749

http://www.repairyou...hp?comm_page=2#

Help!

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 1604 PM

Yeah, it looks (according to the thousands of 'Net denizens so affected) as if it's endemic to Vista. I guess I'll have to spring for a copy of XP and install that. -$100. Ouch.


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Posted 17 September 2008 - 2319 PM

Contact your system manufacturer, and find out if you have a downgradeable license.

Failing that, don't you already have an XP license from your old computer?
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 0058 AM

May be the 32 bit version of XP where the new processor needs the 64 bit version to get full performance from it
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 0252 AM

Contact your system manufacturer, and find out if you have a downgradeable license.

Failing that, don't you already have an XP license from your old computer?


Would the recovery disk from my old PC (XP came preloaded) allow a full-install on my new PC?


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Posted 18 September 2008 - 0401 AM

Perhaps. My old Dell XP SP1 CD can be used on any system. Some recovery CDs can't be. You'd have to assemble the necessary drivers, but you should be able to manage that. Just do it before you find yourself needing a network driver with no working network connection.

Provided you've got a valid license for XP, you could just order the proper media pack. Media packs just include the XP CDs/DVDs that will work with any system. They cost about $20.
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Posted 10 December 2008 - 1039 AM

Been running Vista x64 about 3 weeks now. I few things that I needed to learn about the way it works, but it's not the nightmare it was when I tried to install the initial release on my laptop. In fairness, part of the problem with my original install on the Sony laptop was Sony support for the disk they issued.
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