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#61 sunday

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0653 AM

It is difficult to discuss on policy when the facts are still obscure. BTW, Do we know the facts of Las Vegas shooting?


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#62 Chris Werb

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0659 AM

Reports of those concealed carrying in the Walmart. They did not engage because were concerned with:

1. Getting their family to safety

2. Getting shot by police.

 

No one can blame them for either. The first is a duty, the second entirely rational. 


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#63 Chris Werb

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0702 AM

It is difficult to discuss on policy when the facts are still obscure. BTW, Do we know the facts of Las Vegas shooting?

 

1. Nutter

2. Lots of money

3. Free availability of semiautomatic firearms and means to convert them to (almost) full auto.

4. Tall building

5. Large concentration of potential targets.

 

Even if you eliminated 3, there are so many suitable firearms in circulation, and certain to remain so even if their possession was outright banned, that he would have acquired what he needed very easily. items 1, 2, 4 and 5 are impossible to regulate.


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0709 AM

Reports of those concealed carrying in the Walmart. They did not engage because were concerned with:

1. Getting their family to safety

2. Getting shot by police.

 

3. The perp had an AK. 

 

 

Handgun vs. semi auto rifle heavily favours the rifle. 


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#65 DougRichards

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0730 AM

 

Reports of those concealed carrying in the Walmart. They did not engage because were concerned with:

1. Getting their family to safety

2. Getting shot by police.

 

3. The perp had an AK. 

 

 

Handgun vs. semi auto rifle heavily favours the rifle. 

 

 

So let us blame the Russians..... no patriotic use of an Colt or Browning here.  So must be the damned Ruskis fault........


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0740 AM

Inevitably, what happens is that whichever ideology shouts loudest drowns any sensible discussion with whatever they think is the most important root cause, without any consideration of practicality.

 

For myself, I tend to retreat into statistics, because I understand those more than I understand humans. When doing that, one looks at the comparative risk - the contribution to the societal risk made by this type of occurrence compared to every other cause of death. When one does that, one inevitably gets accused of being heartless, because one is apparently not caring of the individuals who have been affected.

 

Thing is, when attempting to craft societal solutions to societal problems, it is simply not sensible to react to individual events. Unfortunately, you either get a knee-jerk reaction or you get paralysis. Either way, the population is rarely served well.

 

For me, I'd love to see a magic wand waved that removes all firearms, and simultaneously makes everyone safe from every other source of harm (unless they want it for themselves). Not going to happen, and I suspect that people wouldn't be happy about the magic elf that can exert that level of control.


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0817 AM

His "Manifesto" straight out of the left progressive ideology:  https://www.thegatew...sal-healthcare/   He states shoot gun free zones.

 

 

Mass shooter Patrick Crusius murdered 20 people today at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.

 

Crusius published a manifesto before his shooting spree.

It is clear from his words that he is a PROGRESSIVE white nationalist – what was once defined as a “Nazi.”

 

This is not to say he’s a Democrat or a Republican, but he is without question a progressive.

All you have to do is read his manifesto to see the obvious tell-tale signs.

Under his section titled “Economic Reasons” for the attack, the shooter states:

Now THAT is some Nazi level stuff right there. Kill the undesirables so we can have our glorious government programs!

In the near future, America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs (to automation). Joblessness is in itself a source of civil unrest. The less dependents on a government welfare system, the lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving ambitious social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of defendants are removed.”

 

His was an act of environmental terrorism as well:

Not exactly sounding like a Republican, but this next quote does remind me of one of the parties:

“The decimation of our environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources.”

Huh. Where have we heard about a confederacy in the past? We’ll have to think on that one.

“I am against race mixing because it destroys genetic diversity and creates identity problems….But the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country. The best solution to this for now would be to divide America int a confederacy of territories with at least 1 territory for each race.”

 

The fact is, this guy is the real deal NAZI. He’s a white nationalist socialist, and this is EXTREMELY inconvenient for progressives because he throws progressive history right in everyone’s faces.

Nazis weren’t just white nationalists. They were proud Progressives of their day, and this terrorist is a proud white nationalist progressive millennial.

No wonder progressives are running from this story, and begging you to run from it as well.

Washington Examiner reporter Anna Giaritelli posted the name and a photos of the alleged shooter, sourced to law enforcement, “A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week.”

A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week. pic.twitter.com/CEJh6rYij1

— Anna Giaritelli (@Anna_Giaritelli) August 3, 2019

 

Crusius posted a manifesto before his shooting spree.

 

In the manifesto he says he chose a gun-free zone as his target for obvious reasons.

Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfill your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers.


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#68 Paul G.

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0828 AM

Somehow I doubt he was radicalized to mass murder by progressive websites promoting environmentalism and decrying lack of afordable healthcare.
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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0843 AM

I wonder what his lawyer is going to tell him?  "Plead guilty, otherwise, Texas is going to kill you."  Its a binary equation in a Capital case: Death or life in prison without the possibility of parole.


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0904 AM

And now the left is editing his page to show Republican, how despicable:  https://www.thegatew...-to-republican/

 

 

Washington Examiner reporter Anna Giaritelli posted the name and a photos of the alleged shooter, sourced to law enforcement, “A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week.”

A law enforcement official in El Paso told me the Walmart shooter is in custody. Patrick Crusius of Dallas. Just turned 21 years old this week. pic.twitter.com/CEJh6rYij1

— Anna Giaritelli (@Anna_Giaritelli) August 3, 2019

 

Patrick Crusius has a profile on MyLife.com.

 

MyLife is an American information brokerage founded in 2002 as Reunion.com. MyLife gathers personal information through public records and other sources to automatically generate a “MyLife Public Page” for each person, described by MyLife as a “complete Wikipedia-like biography on every American.”

At 2:46 PM today MyLife had this profile for the deranged killer Patrick Crusius.

His original profile at 2:46 said he was a registered Democrat.

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At 2:50 PM leftists changed his political affiliation from Democrat to Republican.

 

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At 2:52 his profile was changed again.

His description now says he is a Republican and QAnon member.


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#71 Paul G.

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0931 AM

Apparently the usual wingnuts want to make this about tribal affiliation.

Rational adults tend to focus on causation and mitigation.

"This attack is in response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas."

The only place I have heard that word used is from the President, and Fox News.
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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0947 AM

And rather then, maybe, politicians would get off their ass when the public uproar made them do something.

"Do something", anything, or is there something in particular? Make the inhuman part of humanity go away? We could be struggling with a knife crime epidemic, or an acid crime epidemic. If violence has become the answer, we could outlaw pointed sticks and fists and still not solve the problem.

 

There's no one answer and many options aren't even getting a moment of thought. We're a society that glorifies solving differences through violence. We have a growing generation of people who crave the "blaze of glory" ending because they have no purpose in life nor any ability to stand against the vicissitudes of life. We have dismantled the mental health system with absolutely nothing to replace it, which also impacts the homeless problem. If we banned the sale of all firearms tomorrow, we'd have to launch a massive house by house search for the rest, which would be fruitless and cause an explosion in this country.


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 0950 AM

I never understood why these guys bother with writing a manifesto themselves when they could just go to TankNet and copy-paste one of E5Ms posts from here.

Because everybody wants to be a gangster, but damn few wanna get busy when it's time to do gangster shit.

 

 

I'm surprised no one has commented on the sound moderator on the S&W 686 6" or similar. Odd.

It looks like a magazine, not a can.  S/F...Ken M  


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#74 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1022 AM

 

And rather then, maybe, politicians would get off their ass when the public uproar made them do something.

"Do something", anything, or is there something in particular? Make the inhuman part of humanity go away? We could be struggling with a knife crime epidemic, or an acid crime epidemic. If violence has become the answer, we could outlaw pointed sticks and fists and still not solve the problem.

 

There's no one answer and many options aren't even getting a moment of thought. We're a society that glorifies solving differences through violence. We have a growing generation of people who crave the "blaze of glory" ending because they have no purpose in life nor any ability to stand against the vicissitudes of life. We have dismantled the mental health system with absolutely nothing to replace it, which also impacts the homeless problem. If we banned the sale of all firearms tomorrow, we'd have to launch a massive house by house search for the rest, which would be fruitless and cause an explosion in this country.

 

 

Thus far, you could be speaking for the UK as well.

 

I dont think you need to ban firearms. I think you perhaps need to be a hell of a lot more selective about who gets them. Do you have any system where to purchase a firearm, you have to be recommended by someone else?


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1032 AM

 

I wish the media would stop publicizing the names, faces and "manifestos" of these lunatics. Don't give them the fame and exposure they crave.

You have just described Soviet media practice regarding terror attacks.

 

 

Did it work reducing terrorism by taking away publicity?


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1033 AM

So let us blame the Russians..... no patriotic use of an Colt or Browning here.  So must be the damned Ruskis fault........


? Or am I not getting the irony.
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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1054 AM

Antifa false flag? The manifesto reads very left, apart from some not fitting elements that seem to be placed to make it a right wing crime.


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1109 AM

It's a shame that the ideological split in the US prevents any level-headed discussion of any ways to deal with this type of occurrence.

Put that entirely on the left. They're clearly the ones who deplatform folks and have hysterical reactions if someone might deign to discuss an issue with someone from the right leaning camp. 

Don't think it's all in their lap? Look at the characterization by the left of Dave Rubin who can go and have talks to lots of conservatives about issues and have calm conversations but Democrats refuse to speak to him (With rare exceptions like Andrew Wang). 


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1112 AM

Antifa false flag? The manifesto reads very left, apart from some not fitting elements that seem to be placed to make it a right wing crime.


It's not hard to be crazy and irrational and pick from all over the political spectrum what you think is true and where you should go. Again, that's why they're crazy. You could easily see such a nutter quoting Voltare, the most ardent of Monarchal views, Thomas Jefferson's ideals of liberty and Maxist concepts all together as coherent. 

Remember, they're utterly unhinged. 


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Posted 04 August 2019 - 1116 AM

 

 

And rather then, maybe, politicians would get off their ass when the public uproar made them do something.

"Do something", anything, or is there something in particular? Make the inhuman part of humanity go away? We could be struggling with a knife crime epidemic, or an acid crime epidemic. If violence has become the answer, we could outlaw pointed sticks and fists and still not solve the problem.

 

There's no one answer and many options aren't even getting a moment of thought. We're a society that glorifies solving differences through violence. We have a growing generation of people who crave the "blaze of glory" ending because they have no purpose in life nor any ability to stand against the vicissitudes of life. We have dismantled the mental health system with absolutely nothing to replace it, which also impacts the homeless problem. If we banned the sale of all firearms tomorrow, we'd have to launch a massive house by house search for the rest, which would be fruitless and cause an explosion in this country.

 

 

Thus far, you could be speaking for the UK as well.

 

I dont think you need to ban firearms. I think you perhaps need to be a hell of a lot more selective about who gets them. Do you have any system where to purchase a firearm, you have to be recommended by someone else?

 

 

The closest I can think of is in my state, each town/city grants(or not) a local hand gun license which can, depending on the municipality, require recommendations from other individuals. After you get your local license, you send that and a bunch of money to the state police and they grant you a state pistol permit renewable every five years. 


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