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Posted 15 February 2019 - 1737 PM

We had to destroy the forest to save it.




Massive East Coast solar project generates fury from neighbors
Alex Pappas By Alex Pappas | Fox News


SPOTSYLVANIA, Va. – Michael O’Bier has lived here on a hidden piece of land nestled against thousands of acres of trees in rural Virginia for 32 years.


Now, the trees are gone and the 62-year-old O’Bier says he’s packing belongings into cargo trailers. That's because the site of the largest proposed solar energy project on the East Coast could end up only 62 feet away from the side of his two-story home.

“I would have to leave,” O’Bier told Fox News on a drizzly afternoon this week, looking out over a field of already-cleared trees adjacent to his property. “I can’t live here.”


The company sPower wants to build a 500-Megawatt solar project on the 6,350-acre site in western Spotsylvania County, with 3,500 acres being used to house 1.8 million solar panels. The land, currently owned by seven different landowners who plan to sell it to the company, has already been cleared for timber in anticipation of the project. sPower has said the project "will be safe, reliable, quiet and screened from public view."


But a vocal contingent of activist-residents are working to pressure county officials to deny special use permits for sPower, arguing it would have disastrous environmental, economic and cultural impacts on the area. They point out that the proposed site is nearly half the size of Manhattan.


“Once you let the bulldozers loose, it’s really tough to stop the environmental damage,” said Dave Hammond, a 64-year-old retired chemical engineer who lives in the nearby Fawn Lake community.


Hammond, an active project opponent, said the project would be an “an environmental disaster” for the area. Aside from the thousands of acres of trees that have been cleared, the Concerned Citizens of Spotsylvania group is also worried about water usage at the site, erosion, toxic materials, the potential for fires and the decommissioning of equipment if the project were discontinued. They're also concerned that the price of electricity for residents could rise because of additional burdens on the conventional grid, though sPower insists it will have no impact on consumer rates.


Opponents argue that the project would forever change the character of historic Spotsylvania County, where the Battle of the Wilderness, the Battle of Chancellorsville and the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House took place. “The center of the Civil War is a mile and half from this thing,” said Kevin McCarthy, a 64-year-old retired music director who also lives in Fawn Lake.


They also argue that the county would lose money from lost tax revenue because the solar panel project would lower property values for homeowners -- an argument sPower contests. During a driving tour of the area, Sean Fogarty, a 63-year-old retiree with a background in engineering, pointed to a lot purchased by a couple who planned to build a lakeside home not far from the site. Fogarty said the owners have since decided to sell it because of the solar project.


The Spotsylvania project would be the largest east of the Rocky Mountains and opponents point out that other solar power plants of comparable size are found in sparsely populated areas like deserts. “You’re changing ecosystems forever, and you’re getting closer and closer to people,” Fogarty said of the decision to build in Virginia.


But Taylor Keeney, a spokeswoman for the project, pushed back against the residents’ concerns in a phone interview with Fox News. She provided a copy of a poll commissioned by sPower that found that 67 percent of registered voters in Spotsylvania County are supportive of the solar power plant.


She said the construction project will benefit the local economy, employing between 700 and 1,000 workers while taking a year and half to two years to complete -- though opponents said they doubt it will lead to many permanent jobs for locals. Microsoft and Apple have announced plans to purchase energy from the project.


Keeney said the opposition to the project is particularly vocal, but others, like Spotsylvania resident David Wilson, whose property also sits next to the proposed site, are for it.


“We are very proud of the possibility of Spotsylvania County paving the way to a future of clean and renewable energy and we hope this board also sees the value of this project,” Wilson wrote in a recent email to the members of the Spotsylvania County Board of Supervisors.

As for the concerns from the opponents, Keeney said the company doesn’t believe area property values will go down, citing the findings of a local appraiser commissioned to study the issue. “From everything we can tell, there is no evidence of property value declines,” she said.


When it comes to the environmental concerns, she said the company is subject to oversight by 30 different agencies, and will be held to strict standards on stormwater and erosion control. As for the trees, she said the land was already being harvested for timber. She said sPower will preserve about 2,500 acres to protect streams, watersheds and wildlife and keep trails for residents and visitors to use.


“They are going above and beyond from an environmental standpoint,” she said.


Keeney denied the project would alter the character of the area, saying those who visit the battlefields wouldn’t know there were solar panels nearby. “The project will be completely hidden from view from the road,” she said, “You won’t be able to see it.”


Still, the project’s future remains uncertain: its application goes before the Spotsylvania County Board of Supervisors on Feb. 26. The county’s planning commission in January voted to deny two of the three proposed sites, only recommending a special use permit for 245 acres. But the Board of Supervisors does not have to abide by the planning commission’s recommendations.


As for O’Bier, he said no one quite knows how a solar power plant in Spotsylvania will actually turn out. Already, the trees up to his property line have been cut down and he's moved trailers to guard against the new wind. He said he’s concerned about what a solar power plant being next door means for his four kids and 15 grandchildren.


“Everybody has their theory,” he said. “The solar panel people say one thing, the other people say something else. Nobody knows.”





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Posted 27 February 2019 - 2149 PM

Meanwhile in the 'I love a sunburnt country' of Australia




Summer 2018-19 was hottest on record, BOM says, with little relief expected for autumn


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This summer has been truly exceptional. The warmest summer on record. There have been fires, floods, heatwaves, cyclones, dust storms and snow. Now, the Bureau of Meteorology says there is little relief on the way this autumn.
Key Points:
  • 2018/2019 was the hottest summer on record.
  • Above average autumn temperatures expected throughout.
  • Dry autumn expected for eastern Australia.


The BOM's autumn outlook has been released and it confirms all of the things we didn't want to hear:

  • summer broke the temperature record;
  • apart from the flooding rains in Queensland it was very dry;
  • autumn is looking warm and dry in the east; and
  • the autumn break could be delayed.

The bureau has confirmed that this summer was well ahead of the previous hottest summer on record which was 2013.


Rainfall was down pretty much everywhere apart from northern Queensland, where a monsoonal low brought record-breaking rain to the Townsville region and broke the drought in the state's west in the cruellest way possible — hundreds of thousands of cattle lay dead as floodwaters subside.

Elsewhere, serious and severe rainfall deficiencies continue, especially for eastern and inland parts of the country, and the hot, dry conditions set off dust storms and heatwaves.

Water storages are down for the Murray-Darling Basin and the south-east coast basins of Victoria and New South Wales.


Drought to continue

Twenty-four of the past 29 years have seen autumn rainfall totals in south-east Australia come in below the 1961-to-1990 average. The latest outlook suggests this year will be no exception.

Timing for the autumn break, which traditionally signals the start of the southern cropping season, is expected to be average or later than average this season.

The outlook also said cool ocean temperatures to the west could have been keeping cold fronts south this summer.

In the east, the El Niño, usually associated with hot and dry conditions, never quite eventuated this summer however ocean temperatures remain high.

There is still a 50 per cent chance of El Niño in the coming months, twice the normal likelihood.

The Indian Ocean Dipole, meanwhile, is expected to remain neutral over autumn.


Not over yet

Just because summer is nearly over, it is not time to be complacent.

Severe heatwave conditions are expected over the coming days in the highly populated areas of South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania.

The outlook warns heatwaves may continue into autumn.

Likewise, there is still plenty of time for fires and cyclones to cause havoc.

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 1817 PM

Alright, is this when weather isn't climate or when global warming is climate change? 


A February to remembrrr in L.A.: It never even reached 70 degrees
FEB 28, 2019 | 4:50 PM


Home restaurant’s sprawling outdoor patio in Los Feliz, set under a canopy of large trees, was designed to take advantage of California’s temperate climate and typically sunny skies.


But this February has been so cold that the restaurant scrambled to set up extra heaters outside the Craftsman-style house to keep diners and workers warm during the record-setting cold winter.


“We had three heaters going for a while and this month it just hasn’t been enough,” said Sam Yoo, a manager at the restaurant. “I’m trying to have the waiters and hostesses wear warmer clothing, but I have one heater set up right by the host stand so they don’t catch colds.”


For the first time since forecasters began recording data — at least 132 years — the mercury did not reach 70 degrees in downtown Los Angeles for the entire month of February.


The average high for the month was 61 degrees, significantly lower than the historical average of 68 for February. That makes it the eighth-coldest February on record, said Ryan Kittell, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Oxnard.


“Most of the time we’ll get one or two Santa Ana wind events in between the rain that would give us temperatures above 70 degrees,” he added. “But it’s just been back-to-back storms and no offshore flows.”


It’s a big change for Southern California, where temperatures having been rising to record levels in recent years along with a prolonged drought. Weather experts said the chilly February doesn’t signal a larger change in some of those trends.


Even factoring in the cold snap, California is still warmer than average, and swings between periods of severe winter rainstorms and profound drought will probably become more pronounced in the future because of climate change, said Daniel Swain, a climate scientist at UCLA.


He added that it might not be as cold as locals perceive it to be given how much warmer it has been in the last several years.


“This year seems anomalous because we have already internalized a lot of the warming that’s occurred,” he said.


On Thursday, a light drizzle blanketed the barren streets of Santa Monica. Mist clung to the tops of palm trees that swayed in the wind and the sky was so gloomy that the ocean was barely visible from a few blocks away. A lone street artist with a guitar crooned the opening chords of Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah,” but most people wrapped in heavy coats and armed with umbrellas sped by without lingering to listen.


Samantha Nava, 26, woke up early to commute from downtown to Santa Monica College, where she’s studying journalism. The L.A. native pulled on jeans, a thin shirt and a dark denim jacket and capped it off with a beanie, but said she always feels ill-prepared for the cold.


“I tend to wear one layer because it’s L.A. and I keep expecting it’s going to get warmer, but it doesn’t,” she said.


Several factors — including a lack of offshore wind and, more broadly, climate change — have played into California’s weird winter weather, experts say.


The recent cold snap has also brought snow to portions of the Southland that rarely see any. It stems, in part, from a weakening polar vortex — a wide expanse of swirling cold air in Earth’s poles. When the polar vortex is strong, there’s powerful west-to-east wind that traps cold air in the Arctic. If it weakens and the air is no longer a continuous band, cold air can spill out of the Arctic and move down to the West Coast, Swain said.


The city came close — within one degree — of hitting the 70 mark, but it never quite warmed up enough to get there.


“There’s plenty of days in January and February where people want to go to the beach and we usually get a few of those days every winter,” Kittell said. “We haven’t had any in February.”


On sunny winter days — and even drizzly ones — beachgoers can easily spot surfers bobbing in the crisp ocean water waiting for the perfect wave to catch back to shore. Die-hard surfers brave the elements year-round regardless of the cold, but this year beaches up and down the Southern California coast have been more frequently empty.


Kevin Cuthbertson usually rides waves rain or shine, but even he hasn't been in the water for six weeks. Most of his friends have been out of the ocean for a month, a tough reality for a group that sees being in the water as an essential part of life on the West Coast.


It's cold and dirty, and the swells are mediocre compared to what’s typical when a winter storms roll in. The cold also makes it difficult to move and jump on the board when a wave finally forms, he said.


"Ice cream headaches, some people get that,” the 72-year-old added. “I feel it in my hands and feet, even though I have booties and gloves. After a while, the cold seeps in."


Not everyone in Southern California is singing the winter blues. Back-to-back winter storms this year have blanketed California’s mountain ranges with snow, making this a banner winter for skiers and snowboarders.


The storms have covered Mountain High Resort in Wrightwood with more than 8 feet of fresh snow this winter, while Big Bear Mountain Resort has received more than 10 feet. This season has provided the best conditions for snow sports in roughly a decade, said John McColly, vice president of sales and marketing at Mountain High, who added that it “feels like a real winter this year.”


Matt Martinez, 41, is an avid surfer who spends the colder months chasing storms that provide local mountains with a blanket of fresh powder. He likens riding hard-packed artificial snow created by local resorts to sending a skateboard down a paved street. Gliding on softer fresh snow, he said, is like catching a wave in the ocean.


“The big allure for me is chasing that fresh track down the mountain and trying to find that perfect run,” the San Pedro resident said. “When you’re drawing your line down the mountain, you get this weightless feeling like you’re gliding on nothing.”





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Posted 01 March 2019 - 1821 PM

Humanity is deforesting the planet! Wait, wut?


Earth is greener today than it was 20 years ago thanks to 'human activity,' NASA study shows
By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News
A new findings from NASA revealed that the planet has seen an overall increase in greening over the last 20 years, due mainly in part to “ambitious tree planting programs.”
The research published on Feb. 11 found that the greening of earth over the course of the last two decades has shown an overall increase by 5 percent, equal to more than two million square miles of extra green leaf area per year compared to the early 2000s.
The data, which compared satellite images from the mid-1990s taken by Boston University and those collected from two NASA satellites orbiting the earth for 20 years, showed that both China and India are leading the way in the greening of the globe.
Chi Chen of the Department of Earth and Environment at Boston University, lead author of the study, said that the two countries “account for one-third of the greening, but contain only 9 percent of the planet’s land area covered in vegetation.”
Initially, researchers attributed the change to warmer weather, wetter climate and the fertilization from added carbon dioxide, but Rama Nemani, a research scientist at NASA’s Ames Research Center, said that the new data showed that “humans are also contributing.”
Nemani pointed to China’s programs to conserve and expand forests and India’s cultivation of food crops.

“Now that we know direct human influence is a key driver of the greening Earth, we need to factor this into our climate models,” she continued. “This will help scientists make better predictions about the behavior of different Earth systems, which will help countries make better decisions about how and when to take action.”

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 1821 PM

Alright, is this when weather isn't climate or when global warming is climate change? 


Rule of thumb, all weather and climate events are evidence of the evils of mankind. 

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Posted 02 March 2019 - 0514 AM


Alright, is this when weather isn't climate or when global warming is climate change? 


Rule of thumb, all weather and climate events are evidence of the evils of mankind. 



Not mere rule of thumb, but "scientifically settled consensus".

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 0718 AM

Too late, we all died 19 years ago.





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Posted 07 March 2019 - 0751 AM

Too late, we all died 19 years ago.

Not at all what you are claiming he said. Read it again.
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Posted 07 March 2019 - 0756 AM


Drawing one of the strongest links yet between global warming and human conflict, researchers said Monday that an extreme drought in Syria between 2006 and 2009 was most likely due to climate change, and that the drought was a factor in the violent uprising that began there in 2011.

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 2007 PM


Drawing one of the strongest links yet between global warming and human conflict, researchers said Monday that an extreme drought in Syria between 2006 and 2009 was most likely due to climate change, and that the drought was a factor in the violent uprising that began there in 2011.

To quote the paper: "a drought this severe was two to three times more likely because of the increasing aridity in the region."

That's a nice tautology there. Another specious study on based fundamentally flawed models. Il vaut mieux que rien.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 1725 PM

10 times 'experts' predicted the world would end by now
By Maxim Lott | Fox News


Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, while selling her "Green New Deal," said that the world will end in 12 years if nothing is done to address climate change.


"Millennials and people, you know, Gen Z... we’re like: ‘The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change,'" Ocasio-Cortez said in January.


But similar past predictions – even by the most prestigious experts – have failed to pan out. Here are 10 of the biggest doomsday prediction failures:




In 1989, the Associated Press relayed a warning from a U.N. official:


"A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000."


The official was Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, who added: "Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands.”


Instead, U.S. and global farm production rose, and more than 1 billion people worldwide rose out of extreme poverty due to economic growth.




No nations were “wiped off the face of the Earth” as of 2019.


However, those worried about warming caution that the U.N. official’s prediction was nuanced.


“He is not saying that entire nations are going to be wiped off the face of the earth by the year 2000,” Joe Romm, a senior fellow at American Progress, told Fox News.


“He is saying that if we don’t dramatically reverse emissions by the year 2000 — then we are not going to be able to avoid future flooding,” Romm said.


“It now seems inevitable that a number of island nations will be wiped off the face of the earth because we didn’t act in time,” he added.


According to NASA, global sea levels rose 3.5 inches in the 25 years since 1993, when it began reporting satellite data on sea levels.


The world’s lowest-lying country is the Maldives, a collection of Pacific islands with a population of just over 400,000, where the highest point in the country is 7.9 feet above sea level, with much of it below 3 feet.




In 1967, a best-selling book came out called “Famine 1975! America’s Decision: Who Will Survive?”


It predicted mass starvation around the developing world due to increasing population. “Today’s crisis can move in only one direction – toward catastrophe,” it warned.


Some experts praised the book and ridiculed doubters.


“All serious students of the plight of the underdeveloped nations agree that famine... is inevitable,” Cal Tech biology professor Peter Bonner wrote in a 1967 review of the book in the prestigious journal Science.


The exact opposite of the book’s prediction happened. Famine deaths plunged dramatically as farming technology improved, communist countries began allowing private property again, and the globe became further connected.


According to a dataset put together by Our World in Data, more people died of famine in the single decade prior to the book’s release than in all 52 years since it was published.


Yet the book got widespread praise from experts. Ecologist Paul Ehrlich, now President of the Center for Conservation Biology at Stanford University, said in 1968 that the book “may be remembered as one of the most important books of our age.”




Global cooling was once a worry to many, such as University of California at Davis professor Kenneth Watt, who warned that present trends would make the world “eleven degrees colder in the year 2000 ... about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”


British science writer Nigel Calder was just as worried. "The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind,” Calder warned in International Wildlife magazine in 1975.


That quote was dug up by George Mason University economist Walter E. Williams, who argues that there are so many apocalyptic predictions because “they have an agenda for more government control ... fear about the environment is a way to gain government control,” Williams told Fox News.


“Communism and socialism have lost respectability, so it’s been repackaged as environmentalism,” he added.


“It’s like watermelons — green on the outside, red on the inside.”




The same U.N. official who predicted the loss of entire nations by the year 2000 also claimed: "the most conservative scientific estimate [is] that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years.”


But looking back from 2019, the temperature rose about half of a degree Celsius since 1989, according to NASA.


Romm says that, regardless of what that U.N. official may have said, the projections issued in the U.N.’s official reports have been good.


“All of the major scientific assessments of global warming have become more dire over time because greenhouse gas emissions have until very recently kept rising at a worst-case scenario rate,” Romm said.


Many who worry about global warming acknowledge that some past predictions have been overblown, but say they hope that doesn’t distract people from the reality that the earth is warming due to man – if more slowly and less catastrophically than some have predicted.


“There have been predictions that have turned out not to come true,” John P. Abraham, a Professor at the University of St. Thomas who has published papers on climate change, told Fox News. “But ... the majority of climate science was proven right.”




In 2006, while promoting his movie “An Inconvenient Truth”, Al Gore said that humanity had only 10 years left before the world would reach a point of no return.


Gore’s movie also featured animations of water inundating Manhattan and Florida.


Yet Gore’s critics point out that just a few years later, he bought an $8 million beach-front property near Los Angeles.


“I wish the climate catastrophists practiced what they preached and sold me their beachfront property at a steep discount,” Alex Epstein, author of “The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels” told Fox News.




In 1982, U.N. official Mostafa Tolba, executive director of the UN Environment Program, warned:


“By the turn of the century, an environmental catastrophe will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible, as any nuclear holocaust.”


No such disaster occurred.




In 1970, Sen. Gaylord Nelson, D-Wisc., – often considered the “father of Earth Day” – cited the secretary of the Smithsonian, who “believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”


That did not happen.


A 2011 notice from the National Science Foundation quotes researcher Anthony Barnosky at UC Berkeley, who said: "So far, only 1 to 2 percent of all species have gone extinct in the groups we can look at clearly, so by those numbers it looks like we are not far down the road to extinction.”


Barnosky still expressed concern over a long time horizon, saying that 75 percent of species could go extinct “in as little as 3 to 22 centuries.”




Scientist Harrison Brown predicted in Scientific American that lead, zinc, tin, gold and silver deposits would be fully depleted before 1990.


But mining companies found new technologies and reserves, such that by 2019, none of those minerals were near depletion.




Economist Walter E. Williams says environmentalists have occasionally tipped their hand about what motivates their predictions.


"We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have,” Stephen Schneider, a professor of Biology at Stanford University, said to Discover magazine in 1989. “Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”


Williams also cites Sen. Timothy Wirth, a Democrat from Colorado, who said in 1988: "We've got to ... try to ride the global warming issue.

Even if the theory of global warming is wrong ... we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy."


Williams finds the exaggerated predictions of some environmentalists unacceptable.


“Lying is never OK. To mislead people is never OK,” he told Fox News.


“You can mislead kids and tell them there is Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. But don’t treat adults as children.”


Maxim Lott is Executive Producer of Stossel TV and creator of ElectionBettingOdds.com. He can be reached on Twitter.





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Posted 21 March 2019 - 0441 AM

Regardless of what you believe is the cause, sea level is rising, the oceans are warming, glaciers are receding. The co2 content of the atmosphere is rising. We will have to deal with the effects regardless.

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