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#4081 DKTanker

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 0646 AM

Saw this picture on another site.  It is captioned as being 1981 aerial photos of the Polish 14th Tank Division, however it has been opined that it is actually a unit from the DDR as evidenced by some DDR built trucks.  I'm thinking it is possible that DDR sold some trucks to Poland, but I also believe Poland had a fairly robust automotive industry so there would be little need to buy from the DDR.   In any case, are there some opinions and input out there?

 

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#4082 Chris Werb

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 1411 PM

It's Polish. You can see OT-64 APCs the E. Germans did not use. Also Polish "Star" trucks. There is also at least one Czech Praga V3S truck which Poland did use in small quantities, but AFAIK E Germany did not.

 

Late edit, the V3S trucks are near RM70 rocket launchers (Poland had these, but so did Czechoslovakia), whereas the Star trucks are near to BM-21s, but the giveaway is a Czech 53/59 Praga twin 30mm SPAAG near the V3S trucks. So, I'm thinking we have a Polish unit and a Czech one.


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#4083 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 1538 PM

Yes, no GDR-Army NVA troops. Clearly. No GRD produced trucks ar seen.

Edited by Stefan Kotsch, 18 September 2019 - 1541 PM.

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#4084 Jim Warford

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 2246 PM

Well...I'm not sure why I put this here...but, it's a pretty cool pic:

 

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#4085 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0207 AM

Saw this picture on another site.  It is captioned as being 1981 aerial photos of the Polish 14th Tank Division, however it has been opined that it is actually a unit from the DDR as evidenced by some DDR built trucks.  I'm thinking it is possible that DDR sold some trucks to Poland, but I also believe Poland had a fairly robust automotive industry so there would be little need to buy from the DDR.   In any case, are there some opinions and input out there?

 

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There was a surprising amount of trade in military equipment between the Warsaw pact nations. I own an AK47S that was (according to the markings) built by the Poles, but it was used by a Bulgarian Parachute unit IIRC.

 

As you are probably aware the Czech Dana SPG's also ended up in a number of Warsaw Pact Nations, including Poland IIRC. So yes, I find that entirely believable.


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#4086 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0209 AM

Well...I'm not sure why I put this here...but, it's a pretty cool pic:

 

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I love the look on Guderians face. Its like its saying 'Really? You love that chancer Rommel more than me?' :D


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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0424 AM

I was just going to ask about that person, front row and second from left. Is that really Rommel? I recognise Speer, Guderian, Keitel and Hitler. Also the cap that can be seen over Hitlers left shoulder does not look German to me, could it belong to some allied nation ( Romania, Hungary, Italy )?


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#4088 Adam Peter

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Posted 29 September 2019 - 0241 AM

Private collection of the late owner of Pinter Works, Kecel, Hungary. Not just armor (and equipment of an armored division). I hope his heirs source a few variant of T-72 when it will be phased out.

 


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Posted 29 September 2019 - 1642 PM

front row and second from left. Is that really Rommel?

 

He looks more like Alfred Jodl to me...

 

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Private collection of the late owner of Pinter Works, Kecel, Hungary. Not just armor (and equipment of an armored division). I hope his heirs source a few variant of T-72 when it will be phased out.

 

What a collection! More like a small army!


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#4090 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0132 AM

Yes, you are probably right.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 1313 PM

Knocked out Hetzer. First photo shows point of impact.

 

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Second photo damage at the exit

 

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Has anyone come accross them before?


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#4092 Inhapi

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 1536 PM

Blow out panels ?


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 2023 PM

Armour too brittle?


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#4094 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0257 AM

APHE hit?


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#4095 shep854

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0728 AM

Poor welds??


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0842 AM

My guess is APHE or the shell has otherwise fragmented, hitting the other side as a mass of fragments (not penetrating, and thus imparting nearly the whole momentum of the shell to the plate, breaking it).

No APHE shell commonly fired at AFV would have enough explosive filler to directly blow a hole in the armor from blast alone.


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#4097 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0932 AM

Yes, that is certainly true. The position relative to the two houses is strange. Which direction should the shell come from?


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 1142 AM

Yes, that is certainly true. The position relative to the two houses is strange. Which direction should the shell come from?

Photo looks staged. No track marks on the ground. Why is a piece of plate resting upright against a wheel? 


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 1234 PM

Yes, that is certainly true. The position relative to the two houses is strange. Which direction should the shell come from?

From the vehicle's left front?  The penetration appears to me as if the shot was from the frontal arc.


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#4100 Martin M

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 1321 PM

I don´t know either.

The shot direction is strange yes.  Out of the door of the farm building.  No.

 

The TD has some writing on on it left of the hole; at least a "K"

 

The second photo you can see a road.  Mayby it happened in different postition and vehicle was pushed out of the way as so often. No track marks, yes. So happened  a while before, but not too long, as Panzerfaust head laying there; not years but a few months mayby. 

As for damage, you guys know this:  can a projectile (not especially large, seems 75mm) penetrate and then by mass alone break out the other side ?  Side is not thick, and welding is crappy once in a while on Panzer.


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