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#21 alejandro_

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 0542 AM

Note Adidas shoes wore by guy in front in prisoner...


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#22 Gavin-Phillips

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 0703 AM

I managed to pick up the Afghansky Izlom/Afghan Breakdown movie on DVD a couple of years back on eBay and I found it to be a pretty decent watch.  There was none of this "hero" type movie that you see alot of at the cinema, just soldiers trying to survive whilst following orders.  I was unaware of the fact real soldiers were used as extras, especially the fact they were Afghanistan veterans!  I wonder what they thought about a movie being made about the war they'd just been part of?

 

Regarding the first clip, that almost looked like a small mushroom cloud! :huh: Neat smoke circle!  I did see a few flares being fired by the Mi-8's but curiously none by the Mi-24's which does seem a little strange.  Good footage of the BMP's though.

 

The music inspired by Afghanistan (and war experiences in general) does seem to be most thought provoking even though I can understand barely a word of it.  I do believe my favourite song so far is called Bronezhilet (roughly translated as Body Armour).  Its a curious thing to listen to music you can't understand the words to, but the mood is all too evident.


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#23 bojan

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 0922 AM

Gavin:
 
 
Monologue of the Black Tulip's pilot*
 
In Afghanistan, 
In the “Black Tulip"
With vodka in a glass
 
We are quietly floating over the earth. 
A mournful bird
Across the border,
To the Russian dawns
It carries the boys home. 
 
In the Black Tulip
Those, who from their assignments
Are going to the dear Motherland
To lie into the earth,
Into an endless vacation,
Torn to tatters
They will never, never
Hug warm shoulders.
 
When into the oasis of Jelalabad,
With a broken wing our Tulip fell,
We cursed our work:
Again Pasha** has let the company
 
In Shindande, Khandahar and Bagram
Again we must place a heavy stone on our souls,
Again we must carry heroes back to the Motherland,
20 year olds for whom graves are being dug,
20 year olds for whom graves are being dug. 
 
But we must make it,
We must pull together. 
If we fail,
We can get hit even here. 
The mountains are shooting. 
Stinger is being launched
If we get hit,
The boys will die a second time. 
 
And so we fly not like when we were home, 
Where there is no war and everything is familiar, 
Where pilots see bodies once a year,
Where helicopters don't fall from the clouds.
 
And so we fly, our jaws clenched in anger,
With vodka wetting our dry lips
The caravans keep coming from Pakistan,
That means, there is work for the Tulip
That means, there is work for the Tulip
 
*Black Tulip was a plane bringing bodies back to USSR. Claim is that it was named so after Tashkent funeral company that supplied caskets.
**Afghan attached to Soviet army unit.
 
 
 
 
Caravan
 
Unused to the silence at all
At war, at war, at war
Silence is only a lie, just a lie
On a twisted path
In a stranger's land
We are going to get a caravan again
 
Caravan - It is the joy of victory and the pain of loss,
Caravan - I'm waiting to meet you
Caravan - In the blood torn Afghanistan apart 
Caravan, Caravan, Caravan
 
Unused to the civil life at all
Over there, all was clear, there's a friend and a foe
But here, it's hard to see the souls of people
Like through the fog
And it's a pity my friend isn't here
He was taken by the caravan forever
 
Caravan - It's a flask of water and without it, you're dead
Caravan - it means you CAN
Caravan - kill the "shuravi"* says the Quran
Caravan, Caravan, Caravan
 
Unused that my shoulder is no longer 
Weighed down by the AKM
Roadside bushes not being mined,
There are no "Dukhi**" gangs here
But somewhere over there, 
In my footsteps,
Someone's taking on caravan again
 
The caravan - it's a hundred shells that will miss a mark
The caravan - it's a salt on your face
The caravan - Third toast will be silent
You survived or you died
Caravan, caravan, caravan.
 
*term used by mujaheddin for Soviets.
**term used for mujaheddin

Edited by bojan, 23 September 2014 - 0924 AM.

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#24 crazyinsane105

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 0937 AM

If the Soviets could not civilize this place, and drag it out of the 7th century, why did we have the hubris to think we could do better?

 

Quite an ignorant thing to say especially if you know nothing about the history of Afghanistan prior to the war...

 

http://www.businessi...bul-2013-2?op=1

 

You can't just put a country through nearly three decades of conflict and expect its moderate culture to survive. When the Soviets invaded and the fighting against them started, anybody that had any money or an education probably left. The only folks who stayed behind were those who were too poor or too nationalistic to leave, and hence are in charge of Afghanistan right now. Happens in any country that goes through years of brutal warfare, not just Afghanistan.


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#25 Marcello

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 1301 PM

 

If the Soviets could not civilize this place, and drag it out of the 7th century, why did we have the hubris to think we could do better?

 

Quite an ignorant thing to say especially if you know nothing about the history of Afghanistan prior to the war...

 

http://www.businessi...bul-2013-2?op=1

 

You can't just put a country through nearly three decades of conflict and expect its moderate culture to survive. When the Soviets invaded and the fighting against them started, anybody that had any money or an education probably left. The only folks who stayed behind were those who were too poor or too nationalistic to leave, and hence are in charge of Afghanistan right now. Happens in any country that goes through years of brutal warfare, not just Afghanistan.

 

 

One should not assume that  the secular types in Kabul were representative of the country at large. While some advances had been made here and there the countryside was pretty backward, tribal and very much steeped into islamic culture. Women were "moderately" stoned without too much of a fuss in the 70's. The wars made things worse, but the basic nature of the country  was and is still that.


Edited by Marcello, 23 September 2014 - 1304 PM.

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#26 CV9030FIN

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 1308 PM

Yeah, on the other hand those Hinds...

 

Few years ago there's been some 'celebration' in 'Polish area', there was a lot of our military personnel and locals, when suddenly few of our Hinds made a low pass above. I heard that older Afghans almost shat their pants.

Haven't seen Afghans reactions to Hinds, but mortars INS seemed to be scared of...every time in TIC when we got the mortars out and ready fire the INS just disappeared to air...if not before but at least after first rounds were in they were gone! The ANA guys told us that Soviet very good with 82mm's and it is in the blood of locals to be afraid of mortars. One can destroy tank with IED or RGP, but you can't do anything if you are caught by accurate mortar fire...   And yes sometimes on temp LUP we just happened to shoot couple of illumination rounds into the air and there was no one interrupting the good night sleep :D


Edited by CV9030FIN, 23 September 2014 - 1308 PM.

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#27 Stargrunt6

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 1316 PM

Guy on the right has some digital camo before it was called that. Interesting.


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#28 Gavin-Phillips

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 1351 PM

Much appreciated Bojan, both songs are very moving indeed; even more so when watching the video showing the coffins returning home.  Not so different from the ending scenes of Black Hawk Down.

 

Thank you.


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#29 BP

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 1632 PM

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Son of a gun. Who knew Bruce Springsteen could front the E Street Band AND tote an RPG against the Russkies back in '79. The guy is amazing. No wonder why they call him "The Boss".

 

How do you say "Jungleland" in Pashto?

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#30 Stargrunt6

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 1946 PM

Glory days

When we had a caliphate

Glory days

Gone in the wink of a  young habibi's eye

Glory daaaaaaaaaays


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#31 Mr King

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 2258 PM

Note Adidas shoes wore by guy in front in prisoner...

Alejandro what does that indicate? Spook? 


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#32 bojan

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 2309 PM

Spetsnaz.


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Posted 23 September 2014 - 2320 PM

Spetsnaz.

 

Thanks Bojan. 


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Posted 24 September 2014 - 0320 AM

estonian officer´s 2 tours, first as spetsnaz trooper 1987, second as inf.coy commander in 2007

 

http://fmso.leavenwo...s/two-tours.pdf


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#35 swerve

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 0635 AM

Fascinating!


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#36 bojan

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 0713 AM

+1, excellent find bd1.


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Posted 24 September 2014 - 1415 PM

I read this a while back.  Spetznaz raid against a Muji outpost in Pakistan.  The part about the Hind support and its aftermath is really interesting.

 

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 2026 PM

T-62 with add-on armor but w/o other parts of modernization (FCR, LRF etc):

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#39 Mr King

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 2038 PM

Great picture Bojan. Do you happen to know what the 3 stars on the barrel mean? 


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Posted 09 October 2014 - 1450 PM

Great picture Bojan! 

 

This T-62 has the uparmoured glacis too (I've seen pictures of T-62M's which lack this) as well as the track skirts.  Would the uparmouring be done at depot level or can this be done in the field? 


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