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#3901 shep854

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 1823 PM

 

 

Yes, I thought they did well too.

"No tractors were damaged in the making of these videos" :D

 

 

I thought they were going to switch out to a Light Fifty when the tractor turned up  :)

 

You could tell he was ticked; he was in the zone when they had to go cold.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 1828 PM

Hmm...Like!  Newly released SP-101 in blue steel :)

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 2009 PM

This guy can shoot!  YES, he used the irons:


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#3904 Chris Werb

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 0702 AM

I got to thinking that 500 yards with an AK was an unrealistic test of the rifle, but, in current circumstances, all the enemy have to do is keep inflicting casualties to eventually win. It doesn't matter if only one in 1000 or 10,000 aimed shots hit, the math is still on their side.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 0726 AM

500m in real combat with any rifle is waste of ammo. 95% of shooters can not use accuracy potential of anything in real combat. Hence why LMGs and DMRs are king, you can pick 1/10 best people for those, you can not for a rifleman. Yes, there are improvements and shortcuts that improve potential for accuracy, but it is often a case of "multiply by zero" - no matter how much better the tool, if a problem is behind a trigger you are not gonna get any meaningful improvements.


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#3906 Simon Tan

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 0907 AM

Teaching 500m is a 3 day event.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 0915 AM

On range - yes.


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#3908 Chris Werb

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 1038 AM

Teaching 500m is a 3 day event.

 

I'd probably have trouble seeing the gong over those open sights.


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 1414 PM

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 1849 PM


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#3911 Simon Tan

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 2006 PM

Skillz>gear.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 0545 AM

Skillz>gear.

 

yes, but these old bolt-actions (or old firearms in general are all over the place in how good they shoot. Or how they react when the barrel gets hot. You can draw a lucky one, you can draw one you can only pray to hit something. Or a buggered up SMLE, because someone put his paws on it not knowing about how the barrel was mounted in the stock and mucking up the carefully placed pressure and stress.

 

edit: and not to forget the often horrible scopes back then. fogging, not water tight, breaking...

 

 

But wiht todays manufacturing, stress relieved barrel and free floated and reliable optics, yes the shooter is the more limiting factor.


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#3913 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 0653 AM

The No 4 is much better than the SMLE in that respect because it has a heavier, free floating (sort of - it actually touched the stock at the "reinforce" part of the stock just in front of the receiver) barrel. You are correct that the combination of rifle, ammunition and optics would give laughable accuracy compared to an off the shelf hunting rifle with a budget scope and mainstream hunting ammunition today though.


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#3914 Chris Werb

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 0659 AM

Skillz>gear.

 

Simon, I've been witnessed killing four consecutive horseflies and bluebottles at 28 metres with an air rifle, a bluebottle with my first shot at 50 metres with a .22LR bolt action, and a rabbit at 270 metres with a .17HMR (admittedly I had a ranging shot for that one). In each case, I wouldn't rate myself more than a competent shooter - the kit I was using (rifle, optics, mounting system and ammo) was absolutely superb - not just something I picked up at Walmart :) Assuming an AK was capable of minute of bluebottle accuracy, there is simply no way I am going to see a small blue fly at 50 metres. The MTC Viper 4-16x42 AO scope was a big part of what made that possible.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 0845 AM

Hooray for Chris.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 1002 AM

Hooray for Chris.

 

Simon, any moderately good shooter could have pulled off those shots with the kit I had - almost forty years experience shooting in the field, often with others, tells me that. I'm sure if I had spent a lot of time on ranges with gurus like you, I'd be able to sense and engage small, fleeting, camouflaged targets at vast, but unknown distances over open sights with a bog standard AK, using the force to guide me, just like you apparently do all the time.

 

On a more serious note, how many militaries provide every AK equipped shooter with a spotter with a high powered spotting scope to enable them to adjust their aim?


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 1218 PM

Can we adopt minute of bluebottle as a more practical measure of accuracy than the gnat's nadger?
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 1715 PM

A gnats nadger is 2 cunt hairs wide as i recall?


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 2141 PM

Geezus, always with the metric babble...


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#3920 Simon Tan

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 2152 PM

Sorry Chris but moar gear is not what happens in non enthusiast worlds. Certainly not insecure ones like yours. Its a challenge getting simple things to underfunded users so its always foucussing on skills and squeaking out less than ideal gear. But gear is a good blankie for those with money.
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