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#21 Panzermann

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 0727 AM

Gen5 is just a bit of polishing. here is the real new gun from Glock in 2017:

 

 

German magazine Deutsches Waffen Journal reports that for trials for a new stanard issue pistol for the bavarian police Glock has submitted a Glock. With rotating barrel locking :excl:  Named the Glock 46:

 

https://www.dwj.de/m...le-glock46.html

 

 

 

 

I guess 44 and 45 are the MHS entrants? :unsure:


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#22 Chris Werb

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 0754 AM

Gen5 is just a bit of polishing. here is the real new gun from Glock in 2017:

 

 

German magazine Deutsches Waffen Journal reports that for trials for a new stanard issue pistol for the bavarian police Glock has submitted a Glock. With rotating barrel locking :excl:  Named the Glock 46:

 

https://www.dwj.de/m...le-glock46.html

 

 

 

 

I guess 44 and 45 are the MHS entrants? :unsure:

 

 

Very interesting! Thank you for the heads-up Panzermann. More here:

 

http://www.thefirear...-police-trials/


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 0908 AM

Full way back to this:

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"Safe action", rotary barrel, what is next, clip fed fixed magazine? :)


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 1011 AM

What is that pistol Bojan?


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#25 Panzermann

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 1129 AM

single stack Glock with fixed magazine and loading strips. :lol: Good one, bojan.

 

 

 

What is that pistol Bojan?

 

Roth-Steyr m1907 pistol.

 

There was also the later M1912 Steyr-Hahn pistol that functioned similarly but with conventional external hammer.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 1325 PM

What is that pistol Bojan?

Roth-Krnka M.1907, often incorrectly called Roth Steyr :)

Same "safe action" with semi-cocked striker as Glock, just way, way better trigger. Also same rotary barrel action as Glock used for 46.

Also, "safety trigger" from Glock was used on Sauer 1930 Behordenmodell before that on Iver Johnson revolvers in late 19th/early 20th century.

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Oh, and plastic frame? H&K VP-70...

Sometimes you just need to compile enough good ideas to make it work :)


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 1302 PM

Your firearms knowledge never ceases to amaze me Bojan. :)


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 1219 PM

the patent for "pistol with rotating barrel" (Glock 46)

 

https://worldwide.es...3A1&KC=A1&ND=4#


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 1648 PM

So they managed to patent something that was already patented, like they did with "safe action"? How the fuck?


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 1535 PM

So they managed to patent something that was already patented, like they did with "safe action"? How the fuck?

 

 

So they managed to patent something that was already patented, like they did with "safe action"? How the fuck?

 

beginning on page 5 ff. there are the patent claims. I do not totally understand the engineering, but it seems it is the exact details and execution of the design and not the general idea of a rotation locked barrel. But I have no clue, what is different exactly from the Krnka design.

 

 

that bloody patent pdf will not let me copy any text. :glare:

I don't know where or if there is an english version of the patent? One would suspect that there were at least an english version.


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Posted 08 October 2017 - 1347 PM

Is this that patent?  Google has a patent search engine: https://www.google.com/patents


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 1809 PM

Is this that patent?  Google has a patent search engine: https://www.google.com/patents

 

Looks like it. the patent number for both is EP3179193 (A1).


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 0527 AM

The USMC gets Gen5 Glock19. (I think they are Gen5)


 

The Corps’ Secret Agents Get Their Own 007

MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. — The Marine Corps is equipping Marines with a new weapon, providing enhanced concealed carry capabilities at an accelerated rate and lower cost to the Corps.

The Glock 19M–called the M007 by the Corps–replaces the M9 service pistol for personnel requiring a weapon that can be easily concealed.

The Marine Corps requires that all accredited Marine Corps Criminal Investigators, both civilian and military, be armed with a concealable pistol when on duty in civilian attire. This concealed weapon capability ensures those performing official duties–such as law enforcement or security personnel–are not readily identified as being armed.

“The M007 has a smaller frame and is easier to conceal, making it a natural selection to meet the Marine Corps’ conceal carry weapon requirement,” said Gunnery Sgt. Brian Nelson, Individual Weapons project officer at Marine Corps Systems Command.

In coordination with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which adopted the weapon in 2016, the Corps fielded the M007 earlier this year to Marines and civilians in the Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division, as well as members of Helicopter Squadron One–also known as Marine One.

Aside from concealability, the M007 has several physical improvements over its predecessor. The grip lacks finger grooves but has a textured frame, improving the ergonomics of the weapon and providing a consistently comfortable grip with traction for a wider range of users. The ambidextrous slide stop allows for both right- and left-handed use. The magazine release of the M007 can also be changed and the magazine well is flared, making the system easier to reload, said Nelson.

Collaboration between the product team at MCSC and the FBI played a key role in the Corps’ ability to hasten the otherwise lengthy acquisition process.

“The fielding of the M007 is an example of how we can streamline the acquisition process by reviewing another service or agency’s test data to see if it fits the Marine Corps’ need,” said Lt. Col. Paul Gillikin, Infantry Weapons team lead at MCSC. “We received the initial request for a new concealed carry weapon system in April 2016. By collaborating with the FBI, we were able to procure, establish sustainability plans and start fielding the weapon to Marines by May 2017.”

Typically, the acquisition process of a new weapons system–from the time the requirement is received by MCSC to the time the system is fielded to the fleet–takes months, if not years, to complete. By leveraging thorough test data performed by the FBI, MCSC’s team reduced their own testing time. The team also carefully planned to ensure the M007 is fully supported, sustainable, and meets all logistics and safety requirements, enabling MCSC to meet and deliver the concealed carry weapons systems Marines need in a relatively quick turnaround time, said Gillikin.

Program Manager Infantry Weapons, which falls under MCSC’s Ground Combat Element Systems portfolio, manages the concealed carry weapons program for the Marine Corps.

By Ashley Calingo, MCSC Office of Public Affairs and Communication

 

http://soldiersystem...7/11/08/146606/

 

 

Is this AprilFool's Day in the USMC? M007? Seriously? :wacko:


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Posted 10 November 2017 - 0109 AM

The USMC's ongoing small arms insurgency a la M27. So a big FU to the Army.


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Posted 13 November 2017 - 0628 AM

The USMC's ongoing small arms insurgency a la M27. So a big FU to the Army.

 
I guess SIGSauer M11 are more exepnsive than Glock 19M. (not Gen5) What does the U.S. Navy use for concealed carry pistol?
 
 
even the horse's bulldog's mouth calls it a secret agent gun:

 


The Corps’ secret agents get their own 007

By Ashley Calingo, MCSC Office of Public Affairs and Communication | Marine Corps Systems Command | November 8, 2017
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The Corps’ secret agents get their own 007
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Individual Weapons project officer Gunnery Sgt. Brian Nelson prepares to draw the M007 concealed carry weapon. The M007 offers enhanced concealed carry capabilities, which includes a smaller frame, ambidextrous slide stop lever and flared magazine well. Marine Corps Systems Command recently fielded the M007 to Marine and civilian CID agents and members of Helicopter Squadron One. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Jennifer Napier)
The Corps’ secret agents get their own 007
The Corps’ secret agents get their own 007
Marine Corps Systems Command is equipping Marine and civilian CID agents and members of Helicopter Squadron One with the M007. The M007 offers enhanced concealed carry capabilities, which includes a smaller frame, ambidextrous slide stop lever and flared magazine well. The weapon’s smaller frame makes it easier to conceal, as demonstrated in the photo. (U.S. Marine Corps graphic by Ashley Calingo)
MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. --

The Marine Corps is equipping Marines with a new weapon, providing enhanced concealed carry capabilities at an accelerated rate and lower cost to the Corps.

The Glock 19M—called the M007 by the Corps—replaces the M9 service pistol for personnel requiring a weapon that can be easily concealed.

The Marine Corps requires that all accredited Marine Corps Criminal Investigators, both civilian and military, be armed with a concealable pistol when on duty in civilian attire. This concealed weapon capability ensures those performing official duties—such as law enforcement or security personnel—are not readily identified as being armed.

“The M007 has a smaller frame and is easier to conceal, making it a natural selection to meet the Marine Corps’ conceal carry weapon requirement,” said Gunnery Sgt. Brian Nelson, Individual Weapons project officer at Marine Corps Systems Command

In coordination with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which adopted the weapon in 2016, the Corps fielded the M007 earlier this year to Marines and civilians in the Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division, as well as members of Helicopter Squadron One—also known as Marine One.

Aside from concealability, the M007 has several physical improvements over its predecessor. The grip lacks finger grooves but has a textured frame, improving the ergonomics of the weapon and providing a consistently comfortable grip with traction for a wider range of users. The ambidextrous slide stop allows for both right- and left-handed use. The magazine release of the M007 can also be changed and the magazine well is flared, making the system easier to reload, said Nelson.

Collaboration between the product team at MCSC and the FBI played a key role in the Corps’ ability to hasten the otherwise lengthy acquisition process.

“The fielding of the M007 is an example of how we can streamline the acquisition process by reviewing another service or agency’s test data to see if it fits the Marine Corps’ need,” said Lt. Col. Paul Gillikin, Infantry Weapons team lead at MCSC. “We received the initial request for a new concealed carry weapon system in April 2016. By collaborating with the FBI, we were able to procure, establish sustainability plans and start fielding the weapon to Marines by May 2017.”

Typically, the acquisition process of a new weapons system—from the time the requirement is received by MCSC to the time the system is fielded to the fleet—takes months, if not years, to complete. By leveraging thorough test data performed by the FBI, MCSC’s team reduced their own testing time. The team also carefully planned to ensure the M007 is fully supported, sustainable, and meets all logistics and safety requirements, enabling MCSC to meet and deliver the concealed carry weapons systems Marines need in a relatively quick turnaround time, said Gillikin.

Program Manager Infantry Weapons, which falls under MCSC’s Ground Combat Element Systems portfolio, manages the concealed carry weapons program for the Marine Corps.

 

http://www.marcorsys...-their-own-007/


Edited by Panzermann, 13 November 2017 - 0631 AM.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 0852 AM

Aren't Gen4 G19s being procured for MARSOC, or are the purchases being consolidated?


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Posted 14 November 2017 - 0730 AM

Aren't Gen4 G19s being procured for MARSOC, or are the purchases being consolidated?

 

 

AFAIK that is under SOCOM procurement. Those Glock 19M are riding on the tails of the FBi contract. There was no current M11 contract to get pistols off of and a complete new procrement is a PITA. . Also I have read that because of some short sighted regulation writing, Marines have to qualify with either Beretta M9, Colt M45 or a Glock annually. So the SIGSauer M11 carrying personnel had to also train and qualify with one of the other three.


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