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#1241 Charles

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 1404 PM

China made a new dredger.

NANJING, Nov. 3 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese-made dredging vessel, the largest of its kind in Asia, started water testing in east China's Jiangsu Province Friday.
The 140-meter-long vessel, with the designed capacity to dredge 6,000 cubic meters per hour, can dig as deep as 35 meters under the sea floor.
The vessel named "Tian Kun Hao" was funded and designed by Tianjin Dredging Co. Ltd. associated with China Communication Construction Co. Ltd. (CCCC) and was built by Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industry Co. Ltd.
"The electronic vessel is able to dredge an area the size of a soccer field with a depth of one meter within one hour," said Wang Jian, deputy chief engineer of CCCC Tianjin Dredging.
He said on sea floor with rocks, the vessel's 6,600-kilowatt dredging equipment can mince hard rocks and pump the silt into the vessel, where it can be automatically blown out as far as 15,000 meters away.
The vessel is expected to be delivered in June next year.

http://news.xinhuane...c_136726081.htm
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So this dredger can blow silt 15km away, fuck me, that's impressive.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 1426 PM

It's probably 15km through a tube rather than like able to shoot up 15km into the sky that distance.

In any case, many of the pictures of them doing the reclamation work in the Spratly island group 2-3 years ago with multiple dredgers looked as if the dredgers had flexible tubes for dumping the silt that didn't look even close to 15km, maybe not even in near 1km long. So it sounds like a big upgrade.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 2157 PM

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MANILA (Reuters) - The Philippines will make a diplomatic protest to China, which the southeast Asian nation’s defense minister described as having reneged on a promise not to militarize artificial islands in the busy South China Sea waterway.

 

https://www.reuters....d-idUSKBN1EY0H8


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 1159 AM

The PRC reneging? Shocking. What says Philippines Trump?
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 0520 AM

The PRC reneging? Shocking. What says Philippines Trump?

 

Not much. But if he can't get backing for any major statement from the US, or to a lesser extent, from Japan and Australia, then his statements alone don't mean much. So it's a little hard to blame him. He recently gave China the OK to do science exploration together with the University of the Philippines in Benham Rise. I think the North Korea issue is tying up any leverage that the US or Japan have on China right now. I suspect the US is giving general priority to the security of Taiwan over the SCS as well. Worst case scenario within the scope of foreseeable outcomes in the near term regarding SCS would probably be China doing land reclamation on Scarborough Shoal. So if things stay short of that, then satisfactory enough perhaps.. In the meantime, the Philippines needs to develop a stronger economy to give itself some more weight to throw around.


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Posted 20 January 2018 - 0655 AM

Speaking of Scarborough Shoal, a US destroyer went near it and China sent warning messages to it.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 0051 AM

It took Manila a while, but it finally did respond in the form of a statement of firm Filipino resolve against China by Philippines' Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque as follows:

 

"They are not telling us to go away because we are now trying to make friends (with China). Our fishermen can now make their livelihood there," Mr Roque said. "So for us, that is really a problem of America because we have come to a point that we now have an independent foreign policy," he said, referring to the Chinese protest against the US warship's passage near Panatag Shoal/Scarborough Shoal. "The problem of America today is no longer the problem of the Philippines."

 

And this firm Filipino resolve against China and Chinese was the foundation, together with TPP, upon which containment of Chinese influence via Washington's pivot to Asia, was supposed to be based on.


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Posted 31 January 2018 - 2044 PM

Philippines used Japan donated patrol aircraft to observe Scarborough Shoal, finds 9 Chinese vessels that include 4 coast guard ships.

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 0708 AM

Next Month, the UK will sail a frigate through South China Sea in a FONOPs way.

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http://www.globaltim...t/1089609.shtml


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 0029 AM

USS Mustin conducted FONOPs.

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http://www.xinhuanet...c_137061108.htm


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Posted 25 March 2018 - 1935 PM

Vietnam cancels oil development in SCS due to PRC pressure.
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Posted 27 March 2018 - 2016 PM

About 40 PRC ships sailing with Liaoning in SCS with some aircraft overhead.

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HANOI/HONG KONG (Reuters) - Dozens of Chinese naval vessels are exercising this week with an aircraft carrier in a large show of force off Hainan island in the South China Sea, satellite images obtained by Reuters show.

The images, provided by Planet Labs Inc, confirm a Chinese carrier group has entered the vital trade waterway as part of what the Chinese navy earlier described as combat drills that were part of routine annual exercises.

The Liaoning carrier group last week traversed the Taiwan Strait, according to the Taiwanese defense ministry.

The photos, taken on Monday, show what appear to be at least 40 ships and submarines flanking the carrier Liaoning in what some analysts described as an unusually large display of the Chinese military’s growing naval might.

Sailing in a line formation more suited to visual propaganda than hard military maneuvers, the flotilla was headed by what appeared to be submarines, with aircraft above.

Jeffrey Lewis, a security expert at the California-based based Middlebury Institute of Strategic Studies, said the images showed the first confirmation that the carrier was joining the drills.

“It’s an incredible picture,” he said. “That’s the big news to me. Confirmation that, yes, the carrier participated in the exercise.”

While the Liaoning has previously entered the South China Sea as part of drills in uncontested training grounds south of Hainan, its annual exercises are closely watched by regional and international powers eyeing Beijing’s growing military might.

It is unclear where the flotilla was headed, or how long operations will last. China’s defense ministry did not immediately respond to a faxed request for comment.

Collin Koh, a security expert at Singapore’s S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, described the deployment as unusual for its size and scope.

“Judging by the images, it does seem they are keen to show that elements of the South Sea Fleet are able to routinely join up with the carrier strike group from Dalian in the north,” he said.

“It does seem they want to show inter-fleet interoperability - something the (Chinese) navy has been quietly working on for some time.”

Chinese naval and coast guard forces have expanded rapidly in recent years and now patrol the vast swathes of the South China Sea, but little is known about their combat readiness and co-ordination.

Koh said as well as the destroyers, frigates and submarines that would ordinarily support a carrier, the flotilla appeared to include a large oiler for re-supply as well as smaller corvettes and possibly fast attack catamarans.

“While it highlights an extensive ability to deploy, we are still left to guess at the PLAN’s combat readiness,” Koh said.

As well as Vietnam, China’s claims in the South China Sea are disputed by the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei while Taiwan also has claims.

The exercises come amid fresh signs of tension in the resource-rich waterway, with Vietnam recently halting oil exploration off its coast by Spanish firm Repsol under pressure from Beijing.

Beijing also objected to a so-called freedom of navigation patrol by a U.S. warship last week close to one of its artificial islands in the Spratlys archipelago further south.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0346 AM

A naval review in the middle of nowhere?? what a waste!


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0410 AM

A naval review in the middle of nowhere?? what a waste!

 

I read that like a Trump tweet :ph34r:


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0524 AM

A naval review in the middle of nowhere?? what a waste! SAD!

 

Fixed. :P


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0859 AM

The PLAN can always assume the US is watching. It's actually one of their pet peeves that they can't have an exercise or a shake down cruise without the USN literally listening to everything they say and do. This was for their benefit.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0935 AM

Always with the "it's not a big deal" mentality. Whether or not the US can listen to everything, the PLAN will have to practice anyway in order to know how to use all their new toys. The picture may show a picture of them all lined up. But who said that that was the only thing they did? http://english.china...ent_7982607.htm Practicing still improves their capabilities to be better ready for if ever a time or opportunity to take action arrives. If at that time, the US lacks the financial or political capital to take action against a well practiced PLAN, then there is no cashing in on the listening experience.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 0946 AM

Don't mind me, just my usual heretic self with another post.

China’s military will hold combat exercises in the South China Sea every month “unlike in previous years,” a military analyst told China’s state-run Global Times.

The English-language Chinese newspaper under the People’s Daily announced early this week that it has started its combat exercises in West Pacific and the South China Sea.

At the same time, the Chinese newspaper also announced that the monthly drills are aimed to test the navy’s combat readiness.

“The 2018 drills will be routine and will be held every month, unlike in previous years,” military expert Song Zhongping was quoted as saying in a Global Times article last Sunday.

“The South China Sea and East China Sea will be primary battlegrounds. The PLA [People’s Liberation Army] is committed to be battle-ready through simulated combat training,” Song added.

Wang Xiaopeng, a maritime border expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, also told Global Times that “the drills do not target any specific country but they are focusing on enhancing China’s capability to safeguard the country’s sovereignty.”

On Wednesday, Reuters reported that China held large-scale naval exercises off Hainan Island in the South China Sea this week.

Satellite images from Planet Labs, which were obtained by the international news agency, showed at least 40 ships and submarines flanking China’s aircraft carrier Liaoning, to which analysts described as “unusually large display of the Chinese military’s growing naval might.”

The report of the drills comes after the US-guided missile destroyer USS Mustin sailed within 12 nautical miles of Mischief Reef in the Spratly archipelago. It is an island controlled by China but the international court ruled in The Hague ruled in 2016 that it belongs to the Philippines.

China referred to the US operation as a serious “military provocation.”

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1040 AM

Always with the "it's not a big deal" mentality. Whether or not the US can listen to everything, the PLAN will have to practice anyway in order to know how to use all their new toys. The picture may show a picture of them all lined up. But who said that that was the only thing they did? http://english.china...ent_7982607.htm Practicing still improves their capabilities to be better ready for if ever a time or opportunity to take action arrives. If at that time, the US lacks the financial or political capital to take action against a well practiced PLAN, then there is no cashing in on the listening experience.


I didn't mean to belittle the amount of firepower they are displaying, that was just my explanation for the venue: they knew they would be seen, even in the open sea, and absolutely meant to be seen. And it is impressive; it's not like the Soviets could have put on a larger display.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 1103 AM

Always with the "it's not a big deal" mentality. Whether or not the US can listen to everything, the PLAN will have to practice anyway in order to know how to use all their new toys. The picture may show a picture of them all lined up. But who said that that was the only thing they did? http://english.china...ent_7982607.htm Practicing still improves their capabilities to be better ready for if ever a time or opportunity to take action arrives. If at that time, the US lacks the financial or political capital to take action against a well practiced PLAN, then there is no cashing in on the listening experience.

 

Having intelligence on rivals always pays off. Doing pointless formation keeping exercises detracts from useful training, even if not much. 


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