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#1 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 04 September 2019 - 0314 AM

Well it made me laugh anyway. I have a strange sense of humour though.

 


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Posted 04 September 2019 - 1051 AM

nit pick: the monster is just called monster and not Frankentein. Frankenstein was the monster's creator. hence Frankenstein's mosnter. So this is Frankenstein's Tiger then. 

 

 

Interesting that he has started building another Tiger from wrecked hulls. Too bad he had to remove the Tiger from the Panzermuseum for the dumb laws. I guess panzershock is very real with the Bundestag.   :wacko:​ 


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#3 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0238 AM

I pointed out to a friend how very sad it was Germany didnt have any Tigers anymore. He disagreed. 'Look at what they got up to last time they had them' he said. :D

 

Sorry, it was kinda funny. :)


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0814 AM

Did somebody say tiger?

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#5 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0819 AM

Ive got a 1-16 scale Tamiya one. I keep meaning to get another one and build it as a Normandy variant.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0823 AM

No Tiger in my lot though. Got a couple of BT-7s though :)


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#7 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0831 AM

I always fancied an RC one of those, particulary if you could run it without tracks. Well, ive enough grief trying to get my Challenger 2 running again. :D


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0834 AM

I once fancied getting an RC and checked out some at the local model shop, etc, for options, but there was some fairly heavy domestic opposition. So its been set at only 1/35s since then :D


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0836 AM

Yeah, its the sensible choice if you havent got much room. Im rapidly finding a C2, Tiger and a Sherman is about all ive got room for myself. I dont run them nearly as much as I should.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 0839 AM

Room wasn't the form of domestic opposition ;) But got enough 1/35s to last a good while. Was thinking of getting a Matilda though. Temptation knows how to make the lot bigger.


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Posted 05 September 2019 - 2104 PM

The thing ended up in Long Island of all places? :blink:


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#12 Harold Jones

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Posted 05 September 2019 - 2332 PM

No they have a different one, theirs is a t55 based vismod.  I had a chance to visit that museum this winter, it's small but interesting.  

 

http://museumofameri...ary-milestones/


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 0129 AM

Another Frankentiger we czeched out in 2017 (?).

https://i.imgur.com/1ozaJ3B.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RU6tten.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/T7V3ClG.jpg
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#14 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 0136 AM

The Soviets actually built some in the 1970's for the Mosfilm studios, based on T44 chassis. From what ive seen they were about the best Vismods ive seen. Ive no idea if any survives.


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 1849 PM

In 1997 Munster had the APG Tiger I and I had a chance to crawl through it.  Where is that tank these days?


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Posted 06 September 2019 - 2211 PM

Speaking of Franken tanks, could a Tiger 1 turret fit a panther hull or vis versa? Was any such beast thrown together in the last days of the Reich?


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#17 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 0137 AM

In the Jentz book, I seem to recall an illustration of a Panther Turret mounted on a Tiger. It was reckoned a 75mm actually gave better antitank performances than an 88mm. It never happened though.


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 0514 AM

In the Jentz book, I seem to recall an illustration of a Panther Turret mounted on a Tiger. It was reckoned a 75mm actually gave better antitank performances than an 88mm. It never happened though.

 

 

The Tiger was originally designed for the 75mm L70 in a Panther-like turret. Since the gun/turret was not ready in time, they hastely designed a turret to take the 88 mm gun. Even then it was planned that the second production batch would get the new turret and gun, but given the battlefield reports on the 88mm turret/gun combo and difficulties in developing the 75 mm gun turret, the 88mm became standard for all production. 

 

So the 88mm gun was in fact a "zwischenlösung", a fact not many people seem to know...  (from Spielberger)


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#19 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 0653 AM

Yes, I seem to recall the turret was actually mounted on the Porche Tiger, I just cant quite remember if they designed it for that, or the 75mm turret was envisaged as fitting both the Porche and the Henschel design from the start. It does kind of make more sense as a breakthrough tank having the 88mm.


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#20 Ken Estes

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 1717 PM

In October 1941, the Weapons Testing Branch requested Krupp to study a more
powerful weapon for the VK 30.01 prototype, to include backfitting the new anti-tank
75-mm PAK L/43 into its turret, whatever the consequences. In the end, the resulting
turrets were used for emplacements on the Atlantic Wall. There were also parallel
projects (VK 36.01 and VK 65.01), both offered to Henschel. The VK 65.01 was a
simple up-armored version of the VK 30.01, on a basis of 80 mm all around, retaining
the same 75-mm L/24 turret and weapon. The VK 36.01 took form in June 1940 as an
up-gunned VK 30.01, carrying a 10.5-mm L/28 gun turret that was modified almost
a year later to the tapered-bore Weapon 0725. Hull armor was 80 mm frontal and 50
mm sides, and a new Maybach 12-cylinder HL174 developing 450 metric hp as its
power plant. On June 11, 1941, Krupp was ordered to cancel the 105-mm gun turret
in favor of producing six armored turrets fitted with the Weapon 0725. Henschel in
turn received contracts for one driving evaluation and six prototype tanks that would
carry the new Krupp turrets. The following month, the VK36.01 was cancelled. Only
a single VK 36.01 chassis was delivered for testing in March 1942. By then, it had
been folded into the new Tiger tank project.
On May 26, 1941, Hitler met with both Porsche and Henschel representatives at his
Eagle’s Nest and effectively began his four-year direction of the German Army heavy
fighting vehicle program. In what was by then a typical specificity in his Führerbefehl,
he erased the previous projects and decreed that the German heavy tank must have
100 mm of frontal armor and mount either the Krupp 88-mm tank cannon or the
75-mm Weapon 0725, provided stockpiles of tungsten ore proved sufficient for that
weapon’s ammunition (decided in the negative in July 1941).

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