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#1221 GJK

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0218 AM

Stuart, I'm sure an old post of yours on GSFG (which led me to this forum!) mentioned that chaps from either BRIXMIS or USMLM managed to get into a T-64?

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0226 AM

Yeah they did, but it was only a fairly cursory inspection. Taking photos, maybe a few measurements, that kind of thing. I think USMLM actually managed to break into a building on a Soviet bases that had a T64 simulator that was even more useful in showing the fire control system.

 

Of course, they may have got hold of some Soviet documents listing how they functioned. But I own a T64A manual, and I dont recall anything in it about the auto-loader cassette. Or there may be, and its written in Russian, but there was no drawings of it which is really what they would need to reverse engineer it.

 

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0233 AM

Interesting. Good to know my memory wasn't playing tricks!

I was doing an internet search for late '80s GSFG info and it led me to the thread. We all have our moments!
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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0238 AM

If you want to read more about there, there is a very good interview with the people concerned in this book.

https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-2

 

As you will see reading it, we had plenty of technical data of Soviet equipment from digging through their rubbish dumps. Its cerainly possible they had enough to inspire them to replicate an autoloader I suppose, or at least elements of one. I dont think it can have been much more than that, I just dont see where we could have got hold of one and picked it apart. T64's were pretty rare on Ebay in those days as I recall. :)


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0241 AM

Whereby, the semi-finished loader is of the T-72 style.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0254 AM

If you want to read more about there, there is a very good interview with the people concerned in this book.
https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-2
 
As you will see reading it, we had plenty of technical data of Soviet equipment from digging through their rubbish dumps. Its cerainly possible they had enough to inspire them to replicate an autoloader I suppose, or at least elements of one. I dont think it can have been much more than that, I just dont see where we could have got hold of one and picked it apart. T64's were pretty rare on Ebay in those days as I recall. :)


Thanks Stuart. Your recommendation for 'Tank Factory' was spot on - great read.

Ebay is dangerous - don't think the wife would be impressed if I stuck an AFV on the drive!
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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0254 AM

Is it possible that this is not a British autoloader project, but a design study to envisage how a Soviet autoloader worked, and figure out what the rate of fire might be? Has this been confirmed as being part of the pip project mentioned above? Because ive seen no tinware of that project existing anywhere, not even a model in the Tank museums collection.

 

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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0300 AM

Whereby, the semi-finished loader is of the T-72 style.


Is the autoloader the same on T-64 and T-80?
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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0604 AM

Yes, T-64  and T-80 in principle have the same loader


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0606 AM

Is it possible that this is not a British autoloader project, but a design study to envisage how a Soviet autoloader worked, and figure out what the rate of fire might be? Has this been confirmed as being part of the pip project mentioned above? Because ive seen no tinware of that project existing anywhere, not even a model in the Tank museums collection.

 

Just an idle thought.

I have that idea, too. Because "the thing" looks so unfinished and uninspired.


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Posted 17 July 2019 - 0833 AM

Yes, T-64  and T-80 in principle have the same loader


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 2242 PM

Pics from the British 1978 T-64 technical assessment:  

 

T-64_32.jpg

 

T-64_33.jpg

 

T-64_37.jpg


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Posted 19 July 2019 - 0154 AM

Thats interesting, wonder where we got that from? I guess the exploitation of the simulator must have been a good deal earlier than I thought.


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