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#1 Dawes

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1208 PM

Is there anything left of the original L85A1?

 

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#2 Chris Werb

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1218 PM

Just guessing but...

 

Upper receiver.

Charging handle slot cover.

Buttplate.

Selector switch

Pistol grip

Flash hider/grenade launcher

Rear sling swivel

 

Parts common to original M16 and M16A4. I'm guessing none?

 

PS - strange that we didn't buy the optical sights in FDE or similar. 

 

PPS - and the GPMG is back in the section again


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1419 PM

Oh, I don't know. The odd spring or pin might be common across the M16 universe :D


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#4 Panzermann

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1449 PM

Oh, I don't know. The odd spring or pin might be common across the M16 universe :D

 

 

afaik bolt and bolt carrier haven't changed really. action spring and buffer assembly. receiver extension tube. Frontsight base assembly, hand guard retainer, magazine catch and release button. The barrel is still manufactured with 1960ies methods. There is probabaly more. In general most of the parts interchange. See for example the bastardized rifles the USAF issues sometimes, that have been rebuild several times to different standards.


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#5 Chris Werb

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1512 PM

 

Oh, I don't know. The odd spring or pin might be common across the M16 universe :D

 

 

afaik bolt and bolt carrier haven't changed really. action spring and buffer assembly. receiver extension tube. Frontsight base assembly, hand guard retainer, magazine catch and release button. The barrel is still manufactured with 1960ies methods. There is probabaly more. In general most of the parts interchange. See for example the bastardized rifles the USAF issues sometimes, that have been rebuild several times to different standards.

 

 

The question was, is there anything left of the original - not how many new versions of components interchange with the old. The bolts on early M16s did not have forward assist notches and I think some early ones were chromed. Not sure what you mean by front sight base assembly, but if it's the triangular post, I'm pretty sure it has to be different on the A2 onwards to fit the larger diameter barrel. The hand guard retainers on the original M16 were triangular - from the A2 onward they were circular. I think the original M16 did not have a chrome lined barrels either.  I'm not going to argue about the magazine release button and catch - I think the gas tube and takedown pin may well be identical too :)

 

Any system that's been around as long as the AR has progresses. I would be surprised if any actual component on a Lee Metford Mk 1 (even a screw) would fit an L42A1.


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1514 PM

So the light mortars are gone from the platoon level in an effort to increase mobility but every section is lugging around a GPMG now?

Edited by JW Collins, 11 November 2018 - 1514 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1602 PM

So the light mortars are gone from the platoon level in an effort to increase mobility but every section is lugging around a GPMG now?


The GPMG might be heavy but you have never had to lug the completely unbalanced LSW around think of a rifle with a five pound bipod plus support and then put the sling at the middle and butt of the gun.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1623 PM

Remember that the L85 is an AR18 derivative; very little in common with the M16/M4

Comments by a BA vet, former REME, with a tour in Afghanistan


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#9 Chris Werb

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1701 PM

We were only talking about changes over time - not from what weapon the L85 evolved. The very earliest prototypes in the series literally were clumsily bullpupped AR18s. Forgotten weapons has a nice video (as always) about this :)

 

I'm afraid Matsimus really gets a lot wrong in that video - they changed A LOT more than he indicates they did on the L85A2 changeover. 


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1709 PM

Will there be an L85A4?


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1751 PM

Will there be an L85A4?


Considering the MOD is as tight as a ducks sphincter muscle there is a very good chance of it.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 1752 PM

We were only talking about changes over time - not from what weapon the L85 evolved. The very earliest prototypes in the series literally were clumsily bullpupped AR18s. Forgotten weapons has a nice video (as always) about this :)

 

I'm afraid Matsimus really gets a lot wrong in that video - they changed A LOT more than he indicates they did on the L85A2 changeover. 

Yes, Ian produced an excellent series.  I was about to post one of his videos, but was looking for one that was more -A3 focused.

Is there any place I could look for more correct information?


Edited by shep854, 11 November 2018 - 1753 PM.

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#13 Chris Werb

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 1600 PM

I'm waiting on Ian for the definitive A3 video. The thing is there are already rifles out there marked A3 rather presumptiously which do not incorporate all the changes included in the official A3 spec.

Incidentally, as for lack of originality, the last time the British Army introduced a general issue infantry rifle that was unambiguously British was 1853. :)
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Posted 12 November 2018 - 1612 PM

...that was unambiguously British was 1853. :)

Nope. :)


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 1846 PM

You tease.


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Posted 12 November 2018 - 1848 PM

EM2.....
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Posted 12 November 2018 - 1948 PM

You tease.

Was based on French rifle.

Brown Bess should be last one, through it shared some features with Dutch guns that predate it.


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Posted 14 November 2018 - 1148 AM

At some point, everything is an evilution of something else, because all of the good ideas have been exercised. The recent Forgotten Weapons episode on Fosberry's pump action shotgun notes that the bolt is remarkably similar to the AR-15 one. How different one 6-lug bolt is going to look compared to another is perhaps the pertinent question. And for the avoidance of doubt, there isno suggestion that the Johnson and then the AR design copied Fosberry in this regard.
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#19 Chris Werb

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 1549 PM

 

You tease.

Was based on French rifle.

Brown Bess should be last one, through it shared some features with Dutch guns that predate it.

 

 

Which French rifle was it based on? Simon is correct that the EM2 was adopted, so I was a century out :)


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#20 shep854

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Posted 14 November 2018 - 1728 PM


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