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#17841 BansheeOne

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Posted Yesterday, 03:05 AM

If by even handed you mean you and Banshee have a problem with Jews living in Israel, yes, he and you are even handed.


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I told you that you are projecting. Remember when you called Israel a racist state because you had been triggered by the issue of local problems for non-Jewish marriages which makes the rounds about every five years? Think it was 2009 or so; the old Israeli contingent was still here, and one of them (DADI? Tzefa? Cyberghost?) put it into perspective. I was surprised by your outburst and thought that the shell over our resentments can sure be brittle.

Not that I mind your style, it's part of TankNet lore. There's LICspeak, there was pfcem's spelling-impaired but colorful postings - colorful in the same sense as Last Dingo's red-letter liar accusations, now also part of the lore - there's Stuart's nationalist rants while pretending to be a leftist, there's Murph's conspiracy theories about Enemies of the People™, and there's your proverbial reading incomprehension of opposing views. TankNet wouldn't be the same without it. ;)
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#17842 Rick

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Posted Yesterday, 04:36 AM

Probably not so much another Trump victory as a Democrat Party defeat. It is a well-known scam that the Democratic Party will conspire to allow illegal immigrants and other "non-citizens" to vote Democrat by allowing these individuals to collect tax-payer furnished government benefits that are so beloved by Democrats for the control, not the benevolence, of people. 

 

https://apnews.com/e...535b1abe5d2ba6d


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#17843 Murph

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Posted Yesterday, 06:18 AM

 

If by even handed you mean you and Banshee have a problem with Jews living in Israel, yes, he and you are even handed.


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I told you that you are projecting. Remember when you called Israel a racist state because you had been triggered by the issue of local problems for non-Jewish marriages which makes the rounds about every five years? Think it was 2009 or so; the old Israeli contingent was still here, and one of them (DADI? Tzefa? Cyberghost?) put it into perspective. I was surprised by your outburst and thought that the shell over our resentments can sure be brittle.

Not that I mind your style, it's part of TankNet lore. There's LICspeak, there was pfcem's spelling-impaired but colorful postings - colorful in the same sense as Last Dingo's red-letter liar accusations, now also part of the lore - there's Stuart's nationalist rants while pretending to be a leftist, there's Murph's conspiracy theories about Enemies of the People™, and there's your proverbial reading incomprehension of opposing views. TankNet wouldn't be the same without it. ;)

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Thank you for your kind words.


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#17844 Murph

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Posted Yesterday, 06:23 AM

Problem is I have been proved right too darn often.... :)


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#17845 DKTanker

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Posted Yesterday, 08:06 AM

I told you that you are projecting. Remember when you called Israel a racist state because you had been triggered by the issue of local problems for non-Jewish marriages which makes the rounds about every five years? Think it was 2009 or so; the old Israeli contingent was still here, and one of them (DADI? Tzefa? Cyberghost?) put it into perspective. I was surprised by your outburst and thought that the shell over our resentments can sure be brittle.

 

You're going to have to bring out your way back machine and cherry pick some quotes.  I don't ever recall suggesting Israel is a "racist" state and if I did it would have been with a sarcastic note.  I really don't care what the laws are about marriage in Israel, but were I to opine about Jews having to leave Israel to marry non-Jews, I wouldn't have said anything about race, Judaism is a religion and culture, not a race.  


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#17846 glenn239

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Posted Yesterday, 08:57 AM

 

Not surprisingly you have no answer, because obviously in your interest the war is to continue.

 

 

Actually, when I suggested the occupation of Gaza by the US to wipe out the rocket forces aimed at Israel, and eliminate Hamas as a terrorist organisation, all I got here was a bunch of nonsense about why Hamas is too tough for the US Marine Corps and Israel is better off with Hamas firing rockets at Israel from Gaza for the next 100 years. 

 

So who wants the war to continue?


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#17847 JasonJ

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Posted Yesterday, 09:01 AM

 

 

 

Well, I don't want to make light about the domestic political situation in the US. But its toxic because of the zero sum game both sides are taking in there. And its only going to get more intense as the presidential election goes deeper. Even posting something positive about Trump is risky because of not wanting to add to the zero sum position of his side. I can't say that any of the candidates from the democrat side for the 2020 election are any better than Trump.

After clearing the air about the fake allegations of Trump/Russia collusion, which was quite polarizing in the FFZ and then the insipid impeachment over a phone call because the previous fake allegations about Trump evaporated, things have quieted down quite a bit.  From what I'm seeing the presidential campaign is far from polarizing especially as the Democratic Party continues pull back the curtains of who they are with their ever increasing support of Bernie Sanders.  People are seeing the clown show of the Democratic Party for what it is, a neo-communist party.  It won't become polarizing, at least in the FFZ, until or unless, some members want to give full throated defense for what the Leftist...Democratic Party is about to do, nominate their first openly Communist* candidate.
 
*Not my description, that of James Carville, Democratic strategist for Bill Clinton.
It's very concerning to find that now Sanders is coming out on top of most democrat polls. There's more of the democratic debates that I would want to watch before furthering my response. So it'll be a bit until then.

He really crushed Nevada:

https://www.realclea...us_results.html

 

Yeah, although it it might be interesting that details could indicate his lead might not last. Most of his winnings came from the Latino population. Apparently South Carolina will be a further indication as to whether or not Sanders has a solid lead since since, from what I hear so far, Biden has a support base in South Caroline, or at least among the African American population in that state.


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#17848 JasonJ

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Posted Yesterday, 09:33 AM

 

 

Well, I don't want to make light about the domestic political situation in the US. But its toxic because of the zero sum game both sides are taking in there. And its only going to get more intense as the presidential election goes deeper. Even posting something positive about Trump is risky because of not wanting to add to the zero sum position of his side. I can't say that any of the candidates from the democrat side for the 2020 election are any better than Trump.

After clearing the air about the fake allegations of Trump/Russia collusion, which was quite polarizing in the FFZ and then the insipid impeachment over a phone call because the previous fake allegations about Trump evaporated, things have quieted down quite a bit.  From what I'm seeing the presidential campaign is far from polarizing especially as the Democratic Party continues pull back the curtains of who they are with their ever increasing support of Bernie Sanders.  People are seeing the clown show of the Democratic Party for what it is, a neo-communist party.  It won't become polarizing, at least in the FFZ, until or unless, some members want to give full throated defense for what the Leftist...Democratic Party is about to do, nominate their first openly Communist* candidate.
 
*Not my description, that of James Carville, Democratic strategist for Bill Clinton.

It's very concerning to find that now Sanders is coming out on top of most democrat polls. There's more of the democratic debates that I would want to watch before furthering my response. So it'll be a bit until then.

 

Just to finish up after becoming more on page, in the New Hampshire debate, about 40 minutes in, the topic of impeachment came up. Warren, Sanders, and Tom weighed in on it as if the impeachment campaign was entirely legitimate , although at the end of it, the moderator pointed out before moving on to the next topic that the impeachment phase is all done. It seems like the candidates are still willing to pull that card, but maybe will reserve it as an add-on when felt that time would be limited in making a rebuttal to it.

 

As for the polarizing, I think it what comes from Trump's style which was of course a reaction to the political correction, etc., problems that got Trump elected. But I think his style might be rubbing too many people that wrong way and so complex topics like socialism vs capitalism gets simplified with general negative emotion towards Trump. If Sanders keeps doing well, then it partly might be because of a reaction to Trump. But I couldn't say that Trump should change his style. I don't know. He of course still seems to do very well in the rallies for starters and overall seems to maintain his lead by just constantly sticking to a hard hitting boastful style.

 

From watching some of the recent democratic debates, there seems to be some degree of friction between Sanders self-declared "Democrat Socialism" and some of the other candidates but most in particular, Buttigieg. But even though the topic of "who can beat Trump" did produce points that his "Democrat Socialism" which cannot bring in the moderates and Republicans that they claim they can get, it can still be pointed out that in the end they are saying that they need to stick together and be united and all that to take down Trump.

 

On that last sentence of the above paragraph, and just going on tangent now, and interesting observation, even though they are talking about having to get more people from moderates and Republicans, and Sanders saying that the only way to beat Trump is to get more people than ever before, particularly the young people in their 20s, to go out and vote. The funny thing of them saying that is that it implies that they simply do not have majority support. Another funny point was in the Warren saying in the beginning part that the Democratic Party is supposed to be the party or the workers and yet, they have to reclaim the support from the working class. I haven't watched the democratic side of things for quite some while but still kept an eye on a number of Trump rallies. I had become a little surprised in how often Trump boasts about the employment rates among various ethnicity groups and women, along with other sorts of economy related points. Like he makes those points a lot. Watching the democratic debate made it clear as to why he does it. That economic point and particular jobs really eats into what was the democratic support base I think.


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#17849 rmgill

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Posted Yesterday, 09:59 AM

 

 

Not surprisingly you have no answer, because obviously in your interest the war is to continue.

 

 

Actually, when I suggested the occupation of Gaza by the US to wipe out the rocket forces aimed at Israel, and eliminate Hamas as a terrorist organisation, all I got here was a bunch of nonsense about why Hamas is too tough for the US Marine Corps and Israel is better off with Hamas firing rockets at Israel from Gaza for the next 100 years. 

 

So who wants the war to continue?

 

It's not that it would be too tough, it's that the political and international fall out from the Marines having to go full Iwo Jima on Hamas would make so much of the international community upset that it's not worth the effort. The casualties of our own would also be a major issue. Why hasn't Israel gone full invasion? They did occupy the space previously didn't they? Did they have success at suppressing the insurrection? No. It was a constant running issue with the western media poopooing the Israelis for being so unfair. The fighting was constant small shit from old ladies teaching kids how to sling rocks (or worse) at soldiers to suicide bombs and street fighting. 


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#17850 Nobu

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Posted Yesterday, 10:51 AM

Israel and Israelis strike me as divided about how to cope with the external threat that they face. What we have now is uneasy peace. It could be much worse.
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#17851 RETAC21

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Posted Yesterday, 01:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently. DK is quick to accuse anyone who dares to disagree with him of anti-semitimism, including Banshee (!) who must be the most even handed poster here.

 

When I called him out on his decrying of McCain decorations (with showed he hadn't even bothered to check before shitposting) he started out by calling me an anti-semitic asshole, and then rolled on, which can be added to the multiple times he has insulted me as a terrorist friend, communist, etc. but i don't take it personally anymore as it's SOP for him, and in all this years MOD has never acted.

 

If by even handed you mean you and Banshee have a problem with Jews living in Israel, yes, he and you are even handed.

I put you on ignore years ago not because I thought you a friend of terrorism, which I don't.  Nor because I think you a communist or leftist, which I don't, nor have I ever suggested as much.  No, the reason I have you on ignore, and will continue to have you on ignore, is your support for the Arabs driving Jews into the sea. 

I have three members on ignore, Lost Dog because, obviously.  Another member because of their overt racism which plagues almost every post they make, and you for your antisemitism.  And not merely because of your antisemitism, but because I tended to agree with, or at least value, your opinions on most everything else.  I found your antisemitism quite disappointing so I think better to ignore rather than converse with someone I otherwise respect.

 

MOD has never acted.  That's a good one.  Just because Moderator doesn't make you privy to all that goes on doesn't mean it doesn't go on.

 

 

Sigh, everyone that disagrees with you is anti-semitic again.

 

I don't care if you have me on ignore or address my posts, I do value your opinion as tanker and respect your service as a veteran, but for FFZ items you have shown a surprising inability to understand plain english, underlined by your statement above. That I may not agree with everything Israel does, doesn't equal to want to see  the Arabs driving Jews into the sea. , something I have made explicit always, nor does it means I am anti-semitic, except on your mind.

 

This is apparently a nuance that flies over your head time and again and triggers you so much that you resort to insults time and again (and again in the quote above). But even when it doesn't have to do with Israel, being shown wrong (remember your little spat over McCain?) you had to get down to tbe mud to call me an "asshole that set you up"

 

Since you appear to be privy to Moderator's discussions, then I guess you are one them "protected species" some talk about.

 

Well if you ignore that all Palestinian leadership is anti semitic and anti Israel and want reward them and their behavior then what is really your position?

 

 

Do your homework, then you will learn.

 

 

Not surprisingly you have no answer, because obviously in your interest the war is to continue.

 

 

See, this is why you joined my very short ignore list: you, dumb Dingo and a former poster. You can claim rights as the first one.


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#17852 RETAC21

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Posted Yesterday, 01:12 PM

Israel and Israelis strike me as divided about how to cope with the external threat that they face. What we have now is uneasy peace. It could be much worse.

 

No, they are not, Ask around here.

 

It has become ingrained on the Israeli psyche that they are surrounded by enemies that outnumber them and can surprise them if they ever relax their vigilance because 1973 caught them flat footed.

 

Reality doesn't bear this out, less so after the Syrian implosion, as the IDF has become more and more capable and the enemies less and less capable, but Israel, by its small population, has a small tolerance to losses, which is why occupying S. Lebanon or Gaza is no go, specially as they are not existential threats.


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