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#1 Dawes

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 2146 PM

Wonder what "NORAD Security Requirements" were too stringent?

 

https://www.yahoo.co...-210403254.html


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#2 Josh

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 2234 PM

Ok, I haven't been keeping up. Who is left in the competition now?


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 2239 PM

Ok, I haven't been keeping up. Who is left in the competition now?

Gripen, F-35, Super Hornet.


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 2251 PM

 

Ok, I haven't been keeping up. Who is left in the competition now?

Gripen, F-35, Super Hornet.

 

Thanks for that.


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#5 Colin

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 0030 AM

If we buy the SH, then there is a 30% FMS surcharge on the price. if we don't go with the F35, we lose a significant pieces of the parts contracts. 


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 0743 AM

Is a direct commercial sale of the Super Hornet possible? IIRC, the UAE went that route with their F-16E/F Block 60's.


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 0941 AM

Honestly, F-35 is best deal for the fly away cost. Plus the yanks will handle all the upgrades for decades. I think for Canadas airspace control something like the F-15 would be a better fit but that apparently isnt in the running.
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Posted 31 August 2019 - 1757 PM

I don't think Canada has any supporters in the Whitehouse currently, so no deals for us.


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 1436 PM

I would have thought something like the F-15X would be near ideal for them. But aren't there 'issues' between Boeing and Canada with Boeing's trade complaint against Bombardier or something?


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 1701 PM

F-15 was too expensive when we replaced the CF-101 Voodoo in the late seventies and is now not only as expensive as F-35, but less advanced.

If Boeing can be forgiven, we might replace F/A-18A and B with F-18E. The Air Force seems to prefer the F-35, though.

One of the issues dragging this out, beside the reluctance to spend so much money, is that they were suspected to have rigged the bid before and we had to start again.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 1855 PM

If they are going to go cheap, mind as well just go straight to the Gripen.
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#12 Dawes

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 1938 PM

How much existing F-18C support infrastructure could transfer to the E/F models?


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 2123 PM


I cant see how they (FA-50) would get delivered before F-18 or F-35. I am doubtful they have the range, speed, or NORAD compatibility. They would also cost more than a trivial amount and purchase would be subject to a very long competitive bid process.

The interim plan is to buy some used RAAF Hornets.
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 2128 PM

How much existing F-18C support infrastructure could transfer to the E/F models?


We have F/A-18A, not C. Probably not that much. Engines, electronics, and much of the body is different. Some weapons would be the same, but that is true of the F-35 too.
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#15 Dawes

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 2221 PM


Aren't the RAAF aircraft pretty much clapped out as far as airframe hours?
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 2251 PM

Hopefully, they'll last just long enough. There was some talk of an interim F-18E buy of 18 aircraft. That seemed to die when Boeing alienated a major Liberal donor.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 2257 PM

Canada would be an ideal partner for a future non-U.S. fighter aircraft collaboration. I still like the FA-50 idea, as if I recall correctly, they were in play to service the RCAF's trainer needs a few years ago.
 
A comprehensive SLEP for CF-18 might be a workable option as well. 
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#18 R011

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 2309 PM

Fuck no! No sane personn would ever want to collaborate with Canada on any major defence project.

As for the SLEP, it's been done.

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#19 Colin

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 0105 AM

The new F15's and the F-35 are a bit like Apples and oranges, both do certain things well, in my perfect world we would have 50 of each. Together they offer a awesome package.


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#20 Chris Werb

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 0301 AM

Nobu, please stay on topic. There is no scope for discussing feelings about nations here. If you want to do so, please start a thread over on the FFZ.
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