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#1 Dawes

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 1453 PM

Presumably this won't impact their profits to any great extent?:

 

http://www.dw.com/en...aker/a-40316221



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 1711 PM

Do they have subsidiaries in sane nations? If not their intellectual property will be available for a small sum soon.

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 1734 PM

Here in the US there are states (mostly in the South) that would be delighted to welcome the entire HK production facility. And there would be tax breaks and other incentives, too. Not to mention lower labor costs.

 

Heck, they'd probably build dedicated housing just for the German management and QC staff.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 1824 PM

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 1825 PM

Presumably this won't impact their profits to any great extent?:

 

http://www.dw.com/en...aker/a-40316221

Serbia recently had to acquire some spares for MP-5s from IIRC Pakistan due the fact H&K refused to sell them.
I think they have signed their own letter of closure.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 1909 PM

The article states that some one is killed every 13 minutes with a HK weapon. I'd be curious what the number would be for AK assault rifles? I know there were various manufacturers the AK 47 and 74. Would still be an interesting number.

What % of their sales would be effected?

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 2008 PM

Wasn't Krupp considered the Great Killer in the early 20th Century?



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 2024 PM

Wasn't Krupp considered the Great Killer in the early 20th Century?

Wasn't Krupp considered the Great Killer in the early 20th Century?


Being on the losing side probably didn't help their image.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 0620 AM

Neither did being on the winning side. For a time Vickers had a bad reputation during the inter war years too. "Merchants of Death" and so on.

17thfabn, that is a claim by an activist. He'd probably give you a confused look if you asked him about AKs. Not a western gun, so nothing of interest to him.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 0927 AM

Neither did being on the winning side. For a time Vickers had a bad reputation during the inter war years too. "Merchants of Death" and so on.

17thfabn, that is a claim by an activist. He'd probably give you a confused look if you asked him about AKs. Not a western gun, so nothing of interest to him.

 

 

Nonono, The Автомат Калашникова is an instrument to free the oppressed from capitalist tyranny and defend the proletariat! It is the saint of small arms. Totally different thing.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1249 PM

The article states that some one is killed every 13 minutes with a HK weapon.


The inference intended is that that number is bad? So, ~40k ppl a year. From how many million H&K firearms built? Does this include licensed copies?

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1335 PM

Here in the US there are states (mostly in the South) that would be delighted to welcome the entire HK production facility. And there would be tax breaks and other incentives, too. Not to mention lower labor costs.

 

Heck, they'd probably build dedicated housing just for the German management and QC staff.

I stand corrected. Apparently HK has already expanded operations in the US:

 

https://hk-usa.com/h...lumbus-Georgia/



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 1847 PM

 

The article states that some one is killed every 13 minutes with a HK weapon.


The inference intended is that that number is bad? So, ~40k ppl a year. From how many million H&K firearms built? Does this include licensed copies?

 

 

G3 and associated patterns licenses have been thrown around like candy in carnival. Suaidi Arabia,Pakistan, iran, Sudan, Turkey and many others are licensees of the rolles restarded family of automatic weapons. The fusil automatique leere is more a distant third after Avtomat and G3. And there have never ever been qualms as shown with the not too laong ago license for Saudi Arabia for G36 rifles including  production machinery and assistance. So it is all just a bone thrown to tree huggers.

 

 

The peaceniks inlclude the licensees.normally. And do not ask how the next standard issue turkish rifle MPT-762 came to be *cough cough*


Edited by Panzermann, 23 September 2017 - 1849 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 2025 PM

Indeed.

Would be interesting to contrast the product-related death rate to other leading German brands (VW, BMW, MB etc).

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 0102 AM

Krupp...


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 0137 AM

So the company ethics now reflect German laws.. If money is to be made, solutions will be found. Licence production in an acceptable country by a firm not owned by HK, which then sells to the trouble spot.



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Posted 25 September 2017 - 0723 AM

So the company ethics now reflect German laws.. If money is to be made, solutions will be found. Licence production in an acceptable country by a firm not owned by HK, which then sells to the trouble spot.

 

If it suits the governemtn to buy favour with some other countries ways are going to be found.



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Posted 26 September 2017 - 1757 PM

There was some kind of royalties agreement between Vickers and Krupp in effect during WWI, on HE shells fuzes. I think Krupp was using a Vickers patent, but it could be the opposite.

So, at war end, lawyers from the two firms got together to calculate the number of fuzes used. As there were no reliable production records, they agreed that every shell would have caused 5 casualties, so they used casualty figures of own troops to calculate the monetary amount.

Read that on "The Arms of Krupp"



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Posted 27 September 2017 - 0803 AM

Krupp also has sold balloon guns to France during the war. pecunia non olet



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 1624 PM

There was a segment on a politics broadcast on TV tonight that was revealing the evil truth that german firearms manufacturers are paying lobbyists in the U.S.A. and clubs like the  NRA and NSSF to influence lawmaking concerning firearms.

 

Oh noes! The horrors! :rolleyes:

What do they think business is done in the USA?






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