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#601 JasonJ

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0508 AM

Thats interesting, Id not heard they bought Iskander. I wonder if they have bought the cruise missile as well?

 

Here's a more descriptive article about last week's missile launch.

https://www.38north....melleman050819/


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0548 AM

It isnt Iskander; its a solid rocket with that range. I suspect it is something closer to FROG-7
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0608 AM

It isnt Iskander; its a solid rocket with that range. I suspect it is something closer to FROG-7

 

There's an image comparison of the Iskander BM (not the cruise missile called Iskander-K) in the link. Have to scroll down some. Doesn't look like FROG-7 while looking very much like Iskander.

bm3.jpg

 

Straight from a DPRK webpage article dated May 5th has the same image plus another. The images come up when the little blue camera icon is clicked on.

bm1.jpg

 

bm2.jpg

http://www.mfa.gov.k...-eastern-front/


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0625 AM

I don't think Kim needs to worry about internal propaganda consumption. I think Kim is registering his discontent with the US and saying he won't maintain the status quo indefinitely. The message is give us a reason to stop testing (sanction relief) or we resume testing. I suppose in the end that scenario looks just like your scenario, only with a different intent.

 

I could see this as being the case, mainly because we have seen this dance between Kim and Trump before. Interestingly, Tokyo and Beijing are both somewhat sidelined by it, and could find common ground for a dance of their own because of it.

 

You were right. They just launched again today.

 

This may not be the best time for Abe to visit Kim in various ways.


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0701 AM

Latest reports saying the second one also went to an altitude of about 50km and traveled 420km, so maybe another Iskander.
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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0821 AM

I hadn't seen the pictures (which are surprisingly sharp and detailed for a DPRK release); they definitely look like Iskanders. Were they sold Iskander, or have they made a local copy? I would be very impressed with the latter. Were these gifts given after the Kim Putin summit? Either way, they definitely are showing off - instead of no one having a clear idea what was fired; they provided a very detailed account of what they launched.


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0911 AM

I hadn't seen the pictures (which are surprisingly sharp and detailed for a DPRK release); they definitely look like Iskanders. Were they sold Iskander, or have they made a local copy? I would be very impressed with the latter. Were these gifts given after the Kim Putin summit? Either way, they definitely are showing off - instead of no one having a clear idea what was fired; they provided a very detailed account of what they launched.

 

Ok, no problem. I don't think it is known how they got them but they did march some Iskander looking launchers in the February 2018 military parade so they seemed to have had them for about a year before the Putin-Kim summit.

iskanderja.jpg

https://www.youtube....h?v=xLMjEfYMtbE (at 1:27:45)

 

But it wouldn't be the first gift maybe. I recall DPRK demonstrated anti-air missile test as a show in 2017. Probably S-300 but maybe HQ-9. Purchased of gifted, who knows. For high res, I think several high res pictures of previous launches could be had if one looks for them. Dark_Falcon found a fairly high res picture of the Hwasong-12: http://www.tank-net....42272&p=1323801


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0925 AM

160 personnel from the 13th Infantry Regiment, 12th Brigade of the JGSDF will conduct trilateral joint-training in Queensland, Australia from May 10th to June 14th with the Australian Army (720 personnel from 7th Brigade) and the USMC (250 personnel from 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force).

https://www.mod.go.j...df/20190509.pdf


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0933 AM

It is a little disingenuous for ROK or the US to describe those as 'projectiles' given the DPRK's press release.


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Posted 09 May 2019 - 0946 AM

It is a little disingenuous for ROK or the US to describe those as 'projectiles' given the DPRK's press release.

Yep, fully agree.

But if there is a but, its going to be that Fat-Kim and his circle of knuckleheads watch very closely about how tve media responds and by how much they give Trump a hard time. Ultimately, what should get a strong response from Washington is a long range BM or ICBM or a nuke test. Something like Iskander should be getting a tough response from ROK but softy liberal president Moon won't go tough. So in some way, the media playing it down may not necessarily be a bad thing. Or rather, the media for the most part is just citing from government sources. Its a tough call. Or one other possibility is that media is being careful with first wave of reporting, which deserves credit. Second wave of reports can then report "the projectile was so-and-so BM" when things are known for sure since, IIRC BansheeOne and others have made the point that, initial media reports tend to easily get facts wrong. So with a delicate thing like DPRK, it may be understandable with "projectile" calling it a BM when later it is found out that it wasn't a BM would make for a bad affect of false alarm. We'll see how tomorrow's reporting looks.

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Posted 09 May 2019 - 1259 PM

It is a little disingenuous for ROK or the US to describe those as 'projectiles' given the DPRK's press release.

 

The interesting question is why they may be doing so. If to leave the window open for talks in the future, that in itself would be a response in various ways, especially as Trump has essentially staked his ego on a peace deal, not to mention a shiny Nobel medal of gold to wear around his neck.

 

When and if Kim gets the message will be signaled by North Korea's next move, and will determine the tempo of the next dance between him and Trump in various ways.


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 0813 AM

Two JGSDF officers are going to the Sinai peninsula for the non-UN peace keeper operation there. First time for Japanese to go on a non-UN peacekeeping mission. They will be there until November.

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https://www3.nhk.or....ws/20190422_35/


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 1835 PM

"They’re short-range and I don't consider that a breach of trust at all"--Trump

Another signal by Washington regarding to what extent the window will be left open for the North. Bolton's influence on the sector of White House policy is nowhere to be found at this point. ch of trust at all


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 1924 PM

"Theyre short-range and I don't consider that a breach of trust at all"--Trump
Another signal by Washington regarding to what extent the window will be left open for the North. Bolton's influence on the sector of White House policy is nowhere to be found at this point. ch of trust at all


Its fine. Iskander doesn't have enough range. If the media and people go all over Trump on this, the DPRK will feel they get some leverage. The distance between Wonsan and Tottori is over 700km. Iskander can't reach Japan. And then on the other side, President Moon wants Trump to stay soft so any threat that can only target ROK won't provoke the US being urged by ROK. The negative is that by launching the Iskander, it makes it possible to take small step to a larger range BM as opposed to suddenly going straight to ICBM launch.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 0633 AM

At Singapore during an international fleet review a few days ago.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 0659 AM

JS Izumo and JS Murasame will conduct joint-training in waters west of Sumatra Island from May 19th to May 22nd with Charles de Gaulle, Forbin, Bretagne, Latouche-Tréville, and Marne of the EU French Navy, as well as with USS William P. Lawrence, HMAS Toowoomba, and an RAN submarine.

https://www.mod.go.j...05/20190516.pdf


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 0728 AM

About 110 personnel from the JGSDF 1st Infantry Battalion (1st Airborne Division) will conduct joint-training in Alaska from May 22nd to June 28th with about 140 personnel from the US Army 4-25 Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Airborne) and 1-501 Infantry Regiment.

https://www.mod.go.j...20190516_02.pdf


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 0450 AM

JS Samidare conducted joint-training in search and rescue with coastal patrol ship BRP Federico Martir and a patrol fixed wing aircraft on May 15th and then some friendly visit activities from May 17th to May 19th.

SamidareFedericoMartir.jpg

https://www.mod.go.j...05/20190520.pdf

 

USS William P. Lawrence conducted joint-training in the Strait of Malacca with JS Izumo and JS Murasame on May 18th.

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WilliamPLawrencewithIzumoMurasame.JPG

https://www.c7f.navy...ive-deployment/


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Posted 22 May 2019 - 0623 AM

JS Izumo and JS Murasame will conduct joint-training in waters west of Sumatra Island from May 19th to May 22nd with Charles de Gaulle, Forbin, Bretagne, Latouche-Tréville, and Marne of the EU French Navy, as well as with USS William P. Lawrence, HMAS Toowoomba, and an RAN submarine.

https://www.mod.go.j...05/20190516.pdf

 

Pictures from the quoted exercise.

 

2nd4o1.jpg

https://twitter.com/...873619075219456

Six more images in the spoiler


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 0608 AM

A few more final pictures of the posted above training.

2nd4b1.jpg

Five more in the spoiler

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https://www.facebook...21866?__tn__=-R

https://twitter.com/...796199747362816

 

JS Izumo and JS Murasame conducted joint-training with INS Sahyadri in the Andaman Sea on the 23rd and 24th of May.

IzuMuraSahyadri.png

https://www.mod.go.j...20190524-01.pdf

 

 

About 330 personnel from the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade and 1st Helicopter Brigade will bring along AAV7s, CH-47, etc and train with the USMC and USN in Queensland Australia from June 3rd to August 21st, during Exercise Talisman Sabre 19.

https://www.mod.go.j...20190523_02.pdf

 

A total of about 280 personnel from the JASDF will conduct training in Alaska from May 27th to June 29th, a period that includes participation in the Red Flag Alaska exercise. They will be coming with six F-2s, one E-767, and two C-130Hs. Also particpating in the exercise is NATO units, the Thai Air Force, and ROK Air Force.

https://www.mod.go.j...31/20190524.pdf


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