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#21 Dawes

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1431 PM

Patriot seems to be routinely knocking down SCUD-type missiles fired into Saudi Arabia from Yeman. Of course, they may not be particularly challenging targets.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1439 PM

Patriot uses SARH only for terminal approach like SM-2, so there's little warning about the attack. The radars only give away very late that the aircraft is under attack. That's one "scary" thing about it.

 

BAMSE was first and foremost a short range air defence with an astonishing effective ceiling claim and a cheap (command controlled) missile.

It would be a great complement to missiles with expensive seekers, but there are likely few suitable targets for BAMSE.

Everything that carries a radar/radio jammer might throw off the aim, the system requires line of sight between target and fire control radar and radar 'stealth' targets that would be easily visible in IIR might still be too hard to sense for the radars used. Finally, the fire control radar needs to keep looking at the target throughout the engagement. That's but a few seconds, but a shutdown due to ARM threat would break the engagement and the target might be able to triangulate the fire control radar during this time. That's troublesome if the target is a decoy drone with ESM specialised on triangulating radars or if the missile fails.

 

BAMSE is a bit of a bet; a bet that the relatively cheap system doesn't get defeated by ECM.

Other radar-centric air defence systems do similar bets, but with higher stakes and better odds.

 

 

I'm not all that familiar with Patriot's guidance properties, but (IIRC) it originally used a "Track Via Missile" concept in which the missile downlinked target data to the radar, which then provided guidance data. Presumable that's been succeeded by a newer design?



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1441 PM

In a shooting war with Russia, a Patriot battery can expect to also be targeted by systems that don't rely on ARM homing. I'm not saying that decoy emitters, reflectors etc. are a bad thing though.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1541 PM

Looks like Poland finally took the plunge. Does seem a bit pricey, though:

 

http://www.dsca.mil/...oland_17-67.pdf



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 1859 PM

Looks like Poland finally took the plunge. Does seem a bit pricey, though:

 

http://www.dsca.mil/...oland_17-67.pdf

The magic word is "offset" and shite load of PAC-3 MSE missiles for all 8 batteries.And the price probably will be cheaper like 8 billion dollars instead of 10,5.


Edited by Tantalwz88, 17 November 2017 - 1900 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 1017 AM

What is "Configuration 3+"?



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Posted 18 November 2017 - 1120 AM

What is "Configuration 3+"?

IBCS and SkyCeptor missile based on Israel Stunner in near future if we Polish MOD doesn't f-up.






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