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#21 Tomi Sarvanko

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0618 AM

Interesting weaponry,,I take this guy is Georgian...

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Tbilisi, GEORGIA: Georgian special police forces march along Rustaveli Prospect in central Tbilisi late 30 June 2005. Several thousand people, mainly sportsmen, blocked the avenue to protest the three-month jail sentence of Georgia's boxing federation chief Alexi Davitashvili and European judo champion Georgy Revazishvili on extortion charges. Police violently dispersed the rally which blocked the center of the capital, arresting up to 70 people and clubbing many more. AFP PHOTO / STRINGER (Photo credit should read -/AFP/Get ty Images)
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0619 AM

Probably T-72M1V. Look at the wheels.

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Ah, thanks, I checked the Video, and it is a T-72 afterall.

Never saw one with that wedged ERA placement on the turret front, I thought this was characteristical to the T-80.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0624 AM

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It looks like Russians are using the same T72 model.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0625 AM

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TV news reports large Russian military group and reports that troops have crossed into SO.

Medvedev said that responsible will be punished.

Apparently decision has been made.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0639 AM

OTOH there are reports of a wee bit of expulsions in Southern Ossetia in 1990s, bringing the Georgian population from majority in 1980s to 30% minority...



Well, losing a war seems to have consequences now and then.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0646 AM

Georgian "thunder run" met some resistance in Ossetian capital ...
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0702 AM

According to the russian site, the 19th MRD liberated the south ossetian capital.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0723 AM

If the Georgian military has been beating back, bye bye Saakashvili.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0725 AM

What is a Georgian military capacity to resist Russian army?
There seem to be russian made AFVs and Czech made artillery and rocket pieces.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0738 AM

What is a Georgian military capacity to resist Russian army?
There seem to be russian made AFVs and Czech made artillery and rocket pieces.


Low. Georgians have a rough parity with Russian forces in the area, but Russia can unquestionably establish air dominance.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0742 AM

Reportedly, Russian air force has struck Georgian military base at Vasiani, where US personnel is training Georgian army. No US casualties reported.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0836 AM

It looks like Russians are using the same T72 model.


No, these are T-72B model 1985 and 1989, the Georgians are using heavily modernized T-72AV.

What is a Georgian military capacity to resist Russian army?


On the hostile ground? Next to zero I would say. And the will to do so - likely even less than that. Besides, currently just one Russian MRD is committed, but Russia can pretty much pour entire Caucasian military district there. Plus the Black Sea fleet. Plus the strategic aviation. Every branch will just love to try their new toys. No, whatever hopes the Georgian regime entertained they were gone the moment Russia did decide to cross the border.

From what I see, the plan was to do a lightning strike and occupy Tskhinval and then negotiate from a position of strength, leveraging on the "it's the Olympics, make peace!" bullshite. Given this is basically the only town of South Ossetia, the separatist state would have been decapitated. The real question is, how could the Georgian leadership behave in such a reckless fashion? Did the influx of money, equipment and US military assistance cause them to lose the grip with reality? Or was Saakashvili's bonapartistic regime really that desperate? In fact, the part of the US in all this is of much interest to me. Placing the blame squarely on South Ossetia at the very same time the Georgian tanks were assaulting Tskhinval is a sign of either extreme lack of information or extreme hypocrisy. :rolleyes:
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0902 AM

No, these are T-72B model 1985 and 1989, the Georgians are using heavily modernized T-72AV.
On the hostile ground? Next to zero I would say. And the will to do so - likely even less than that. Besides, currently just one Russian MRD is committed, but Russia can pretty much pour entire Caucasian military district there. Plus the Black Sea fleet. Plus the strategic aviation. Every branch will just love to try their new toys. No, whatever hopes the Georgian regime entertained they were gone the moment Russia did decide to cross the border.

From what I see, the plan was to do a lightning strike and occupy Tskhinval and then negotiate from a position of strength, leveraging on the "it's the Olympics, make peace!" bullshite. Given this is basically the only town of South Ossetia, the separatist state would have been decapitated. The real question is, how could the Georgian leadership behave in such a reckless fashion? Did the influx of money, equipment and US military assistance cause them to lose the grip with reality? Or was Saakashvili's bonapartistic regime really that desperate? In fact, the part of the US in all this is of much interest to me. Placing the blame squarely on South Ossetia at the very same time the Georgian tanks were assaulting Tskhinval is a sign of either extreme lack of information or extreme hypocrisy. :rolleyes:


It would be also interesting to know when that MRD was put into motion. Seems to have been a very quick reaction on part of the Russians, or they already started to move closer to the border yesterday...which would raise the question why the Georgians didn't know this. Anyone know if that MRD is a high readiness formation? Where are their barracks?
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0911 AM

It would be also interesting to know when that MRD was put into motion. Seems to have been a very quick reaction on part of the Russians, or they already started to move closer to the border yesterday...which would raise the question why the Georgians didn't know this. Anyone know if that MRD is a high readiness formation? Where are their barracks?

It's located at Vladikavkaz. According to Russian sources the 58th army started moving towards the are in the morning, so I would guess that this is the leading division.
Maybe the Georgians have been reading too much Clancy type books, and decided they can win. :D
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0917 AM

It's located at Vladikavkaz. According to Russian sources the 58th army started moving towards the are in the morning, so I would guess that this is the leading division.
Maybe the Georgians have been reading too much Clancy type books, and decided they can win. :D


Thanks. Which means they probably spent the night preparing.

Clancy will no doubt feel vindicated since this is how things turn out without all the cool hight tec stuff :unsure: ....OTOH the Georgians should have maybe gotten the idea that some cool SF operation was needed in order to seize the (few?) road tunnels and that rigging them for demo would be a rather high priority if they wanted to have any hope of success. After all, this was probably the most likely scenario they had to plan for during the last 2 decades....

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0940 AM

Vasiliy, thank you for the AFV and back ground info.
There seem to be a T-72BM in one of the pitures in this thread.

How many Americans are in Georgia?
They are in bases that have been hit?

Tom Clancy indeed. . .

And are there any gas or oil lines in this part of the chess board?

Edited by Tomi Sarvanko, 08 August 2008 - 0943 AM.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0945 AM

How many Americans are in Georgia?
They are in bases that have been hit?

I'm guessing a few hundred. Some are at Vasiani.
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Posted 08 August 2008 - 0946 AM

And are there any gas or oil lines in this part of the chess board?


Georgia is supposed to be the route for WE, US, etc. pipelines to access Central Asian oil/energy reserves without having go via Russia, and thus diminish it's, especcially WE, dependance on Russian Goodwill. Russia of course doesn't like that.

The other possibility would be Iran, but that route has it's own problems at the moment.

EDIT: A good map of the existing and proposed pipeline routes.

http://www.economist...ory_id=10566657

and some general background

http://www.economist...ory_id=11016430

http://www.economist...ory_id=11293629

Edited by Junior FO, 08 August 2008 - 0953 AM.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 1008 AM

I'm guessing a few hundred. Some are at Vasiani.


Hopefully they can keep their heads down.
This time they are watching the shock and awe from the wrong direction..

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http://afp.google.co...hmZitLMFjjf_3CQ

Edited by Tomi Sarvanko, 08 August 2008 - 1010 AM.

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 1021 AM

Georgian President said that they shot down 2 Russian fighters although Russia denies it.
Interesting that Israel recently suspended arms sales to Georgia as not antagonize Russia, although given that Syrian Kornets were transferred to Hezbollah despite Israel warning Russia of that prior to the sale to Syria, I would not mind Russia finding that some Gils ATGM "appeared" with Georgian forces.
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