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#1 Dawes

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 2217 PM

I suppose that buying Ajax or Puma off-the-shelf is out of the question?

 

https://www.defensen...otyping-effort/


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#2 Panzermann

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 2235 PM

I suppose that buying Ajax or Puma off-the-shelf is out of the question?

 

 

Of course. NIH.


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#3 GARGEAN

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0145 AM

Aaaaaaand another one out.
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#4 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0231 AM

This comes after how many attempts to replace the M109?


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#5 BansheeOne

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0309 AM

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#6 Ken Estes

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0355 AM

If the army thinks it will fight in the next four years, it will keep its current inventory and do upgrades with the slender funding it has. Too bad there is no civilian leadership worthy of the name. We are looking like France in 1938.


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#7 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0403 AM

Britain is repeating the mistakes of the 30's as well. Its truly heartbreaking.


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#8 Simon Tan

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0425 AM

This is ghey.
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#9 Mighty_Zuk

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0427 AM

https://breakingdefe...placement-omfv/

Conclusions on the reports are quite different between news sites, and I agree more with BD's take on the matter.
DefenseNews's title also appears misleading because of the info they show in their article.

The Lynx's disqualification forced the program into a hard stop and now they want to restart it, rather than cancel it, so it would remain competitive.

What's odd is that we don't really see Rafael, Elbit, or IAI showing any presence despite all 3 being in more advanced stages of the program in Israel.
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#10 Chris Werb

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0723 AM

Oh for fuck's sake....


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#11 GARGEAN

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0905 AM

It's dead Jim.
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#12 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0909 AM

Here comes 'Mega-Gavin II' ™. Its time has come....


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0915 AM

The last paragraph quote is telling. Apparently, it's overmatch or nothing.

As usual, that leads to inaction and the gradual destruction of any capability.

Don't try to overmatch everything, especially when you need to first keep up.
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#14 Chris Werb

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 0952 AM

The last paragraph quote is telling. Apparently, it's overmatch or nothing.

As usual, that leads to inaction and the gradual destruction of any capability.

Don't try to overmatch everything, especially when you need to first keep up.

 

Like insisting your new infantry rifle has a 100% improvement in hit rate over its predecessor...


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1006 AM

Don't ever expect anything from these:

 

U.S. Army combat AFV development (other than Frankenstein's patchwork monsters like M109A7)

U.S. Army battlefield air defence

U.S. Army helicopter projects

U.S. Army small arms projects

U.S.Army foreign training programs

USMC combat AFV (especially amphibious IFV/APC) projects

USMC helicopter projects

USN surface combatant projects

USN MCM projects

USN carrier projects

USAF support aircraft projects

 

The bureaucracy is PERFECTLY incompetent in ALL of these.

 

There are lots of announcements, promises, flashy marketing stuff, claims - and huge sums of money spent. And then the y have NOTHING or CRAP delivered in the end. (The USN tends to deliver crap ships rather than cancel in time.)

 

 

The competence was lost in the 80's mostly, though USMC incompetence goes back to the 70's. They're still using Apache/Blackhawk/Bradley/Abrams because that's the last generation of successful programs. Those programs were begun in times of 'austere' budgeting and the purchasing of the vehicles started in times of lavish budgeting.


Edited by lastdingo, 17 January 2020 - 1008 AM.

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#16 seahawk

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1049 AM

Self defeating bureaucracy in every western country.

 

Soldier: I want to buy something new, as the old equipment gets old

Bureaucrat: Why, is your old equipment not good enough?

Soldier: No, the new one is a bit better there and there and has more potential.

Bureaucrat: We do not spent the money for such a small improvement, achieve more!

Soldier: Here is our new project it will so much better than all other systems and hugely expensive.

Bureaucrat Well that makes sense it is totally cutting edge, but if you do not keep inside the budget the thing is dead.

Soldier: The budget is not enough.

Bureaucrat: It is dead, Jim. Why did you not ask for something more realistic?


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#17 Dawes

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1123 AM

Well, the USMC's new amphibious assault vehicle is an Italian design, and the new(ish) UH-72 Lakota is an Airbus product, as is (I believe) the Navy's new TH-73 training helicopter. We have an Israeli APS on the Abrams and possibly other vehicles.

 

On the other hand, we apologize for exporting the Kardashians to the world at large.


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1344 PM

The last paragraph quote is telling. Apparently, it's overmatch or nothing.

As usual, that leads to inaction and the gradual destruction of any capability.

Don't try to overmatch everything, especially when you need to first keep up.


The technologies required of the OMFV are not unrealistic, are definitely overmatch against any Russian or Chinese design, and have already passed the stage of proof of concept.
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#19 Chris Werb

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1357 PM

 

The last paragraph quote is telling. Apparently, it's overmatch or nothing.

As usual, that leads to inaction and the gradual destruction of any capability.

Don't try to overmatch everything, especially when you need to first keep up.


The technologies required of the OMFV are not unrealistic, are definitely overmatch against any Russian or Chinese design, and have already passed the stage of proof of concept.

 

 

Overmatch vs T-15 BMP Armata and Kurganets 25?


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 1441 PM

Kurganets is just an ass-ugly CV9030.


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