Jump to content


Photo

Russian Afvs


  • Please log in to reply
136 replies to this topic

#1 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 07 January 2016 - 0302 AM

I thought a Russian specific thread to cover the wide variety of Russian AFVs emerging.

 

To start with...a rather neat propaganda fluff piece with Russian airborne armour.

 

 

BMD-4, 2S25 and BTR-MD

 

 


  • 0

#2 Burncycle360

Burncycle360

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 3,458 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 07 January 2016 - 1813 PM

Nice, though getting in and out of those things looks so awkward.


  • 0

#3 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 08 January 2016 - 0952 AM

Same as on the bmp3. Remounting is especially messy.

 

The T-90MA seems to have been revived for the Russian Army as a gap filler while T-14 Armata development is completed and serial production ramped up. The suggestion is that it will receive the 2A82 gun used on the T-14s currently. On the Armata it doesn't have a fume extractor but that is probably because the turret module is unmanned and nobody will choke on propellant fumes.

It's unclear what the actual T-90MA configuration will be since it changes every few months.

 

t-90ms_1.jpg

 

I think this is the 2013 model shown T-90MS export model which dumbs down the primary gunner's sight to the export quality Sosna-U.

The Relikt ERA is very apparent. The RWS for the commander seems to be able to take either a PKT or a Kord HMG.


Edited by Simon Tan, 08 January 2016 - 1126 AM.

  • 0

#4 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 09 January 2016 - 0439 AM

Uralvagon might well be maxxed out but I don't understand why Omsk cannot switch to depot work for T-72s.


  • 0

#5 Gavin-Phillips

Gavin-Phillips

    Crew

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 2,576 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England, UK

Posted 09 January 2016 - 1401 PM

Will the 2A82 gun demand the fitting of a new turret on the T-90's if this upgrade does indeed take place or will the existing turrets be able to take it?

 

That video not half sounded like a rather angry swarm of hornets!  I've seen drone footage before which was silent, perhaps that's why...


  • 0

#6 Chris Werb

Chris Werb

    In Zod We Trust

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,936 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orkney, Scotland, UK
  • Interests:But it's got electrolytes! They're what plants crave!

Posted 09 January 2016 - 1446 PM

Nice find Simon! Any ideas on how many of the new airborne vehicles are in service yet and on order?


  • 0

#7 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 10 January 2016 - 0853 AM

The vehicle in the video is the BTR-MDM. This has supplanted the BTR-MD for serial production. The big tell is the wheels & tracks....

btr_md_rakushka_l1.jpg

Original BTR-MD based on BMD-3 running gear. Produced by Volga Tractor Plant (VTZ).

 

114190_OAO_Kurganmashzavod_BMD_4_dlya_de

BTR-MDM. Shares a powertrain and running gear with BMD-4M. This has a centre track horn vis the dual-horns of previous vehicle. Yes, that is a bow mounted PKT. The BTR-MD is probably in the low dozens, they only recently went into production at Kurganmash.


  • 0

#8 Ifor

Ifor

    Crew

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 103 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England(on loan from God's country. Wales 400miles of coastline all facing the Sea. Who's coat is this jacket hanging on floor?
  • Interests:Anything military, cryptozoology, crime, zoology,

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1109 AM

I realise Burncycle360 raised this issue, but I wonder if someone could explain the rationale behind the awkward ingress/egress. It would seem to unnecessarily expose the troops using it?
  • 0

#9 Damian

Damian

    Crew

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 3,077 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Poland
  • Interests:MBT's, rock music, electric Bass Guitar's :-)

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1113 AM

Because of vehicle balance in water, the engine is placed in the rear.

 

Newer designs like Kurganets and redesigned BMP-3 changed that tough.


  • 0

#10 Dark_Falcon

Dark_Falcon

    The Stryker's Friend

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 3,270 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicagoland

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1135 AM

That bow mount looks like an armored sleeve with a cap fitted.  I'm presuming its set up to allow the PK to be removed and used outside the tank by the BOG (BOw Gunner) if needed.

 

Other question: There's a circular hatch on the side of the vehicle (open in the MD photo, closed in the MDM photo).  Is that a firing port?


  • 0

#11 Ifor

Ifor

    Crew

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 103 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:England(on loan from God's country. Wales 400miles of coastline all facing the Sea. Who's coat is this jacket hanging on floor?
  • Interests:Anything military, cryptozoology, crime, zoology,

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1139 AM

Damian, appreciated
  • 0

#12 Damian

Damian

    Crew

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 3,077 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Poland
  • Interests:MBT's, rock music, electric Bass Guitar's :-)

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1159 AM

 

 

Other question: There's a circular hatch on the side of the vehicle (open in the MD photo, closed in the MDM photo).  Is that a firing port?

 

Yes.

 

@Stuart, the BTR-MDM other name in Russian is "Rakushka" (Ракушка) which indeed means "Shell". 


Edited by Damian, 10 January 2016 - 1200 PM.

  • 0

#13 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1329 PM

Del

Edited by Simon Tan, 10 January 2016 - 1337 PM.

  • 0

#14 Chris Werb

Chris Werb

    In Zod We Trust

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,936 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Orkney, Scotland, UK
  • Interests:But it's got electrolytes! They're what plants crave!

Posted 10 January 2016 - 1338 PM

Cheers Damian.

 

Has anyone any idea of how they will employ Sprut? 

 

Almost certainly not by airdropping it. Not unless they are up against an enemy with no AD capability whatsoever.


  • 0

#15 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 10 January 2016 - 2259 PM

It is the mere threat of them dopping that concerns planners and has the enemy dispersing their defenses to create anti-parachutist defenses. Any air drop is likely to happen in a remote area in a permissive air environment. Like in the middle of the desert many km from the objective. This is the whole point of meching up the Airborne, they don't have to jump on or near their objective.


  • 0

#16 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 11 January 2016 - 0353 AM

Strela-10M4 (Sa-13 Gopher)

1065284848.jpg

 

The missile is not 9M333 as the fins won't fit into those tubes.

 

They are all supposed to be conversions.

 

ETA:- The missile is the Sosna-R, also used on the Palma CIWS from Nudelman. It's a lot more kinematic.


Edited by Simon Tan, 11 January 2016 - 0411 AM.

  • 0

#17 Simon Tan

Simon Tan

    Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,275 posts
  • Interests:tanks. More tanks. Guns. BIG GUNs!

Posted 11 January 2016 - 0441 AM

There is no mention of a BTR-MDM SAM variant. Only a NBCR vehicle.


  • 0

#18 Stargrunt6

Stargrunt6

    Empire Apologist

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 7,597 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eastern Time Zone
  • Interests:Ducats and shot

Posted 11 January 2016 - 1117 AM

Nice, though getting in and out of those things looks so awkward.

 

When the mortars start dropping, I'd hate to have that vehicle being what I'd have to get into.


  • 0

#19 demosthenes

demosthenes

    Crew

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 621 posts

Posted 12 January 2016 - 0220 AM

 

Nice, though getting in and out of those things looks so awkward.

 

When the mortars start dropping, I'd hate to have that vehicle being what I'd have to get into.

 

 

What else would you get into that's air droppable?


Edited by demosthenes, 12 January 2016 - 0222 AM.

  • 0

#20 Stargrunt6

Stargrunt6

    Empire Apologist

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 7,597 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eastern Time Zone
  • Interests:Ducats and shot

Posted 12 January 2016 - 1432 PM

 

 

Nice, though getting in and out of those things looks so awkward.

 

When the mortars start dropping, I'd hate to have that vehicle being what I'd have to get into.

 

 

What else would you get into that's air droppable?

 

 

Something with a bigger door, that's for sure.


  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users