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#41 Simon Tan

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Posted 05 March 2019 - 2221 PM

Tankovia has gone gaga over the tank. The first public showing of the FT in Tankovina resulted in a near riot as citizens clamoured to see the object of curiosity. People were getting crushed by the crowd trying to see and touch this magical thing. Indeed our initial batch of tanks are pretty worn out from driving around and shooting blanks for the public. Between this and training, we have been hardly able to use them in tactical exercises.

 

To remedy this, a number of steps have been taken. The first is to buy more, a whole lot more FTs and they have all been paid for by public subscription. Receipts for Tank Bonds are proudly displayed in homes over fire places and in offices. Some tanks are being bought by civic organizations and even municipalities. We have had to stop the latter since it is a misuse of public monies but we have allowed local government to organize bond selling efforts and recognize it by putting donor plaques on the tanks they buy.

 

We have also bought a sizeable number of non-functional FTs as spare hulks and for our chaps to tinker with. One of the first efforts has been to build up a number of mild steel tanks for training and exposition. Being lighter, the wear on tracks and running gear is reduced and the absence of live weapons is a benefit with people crawling all over them.

 

Finally we have built some plywood mock ups to mount onto passenger cars to drive around selling Tank Bonds. Children absolutely love being taken in tank rides and being photographed in 'tanker' garb. 


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Posted 09 March 2019 - 1909 PM

Bojan: IIRC they had to dismount the mg from the FT turret in order to use the 37 mm gun. Was this later changed ?


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Posted 09 March 2019 - 1910 PM

hehe, tankovia lives up to its name


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 0839 AM

Bojan: IIRC they had to dismount the mg from the FT turret in order to use the 37 mm gun. Was this later changed ?

At MS-1? no, that is not true.


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 1616 PM

Bojan: sorry, i was referring to the FT's refitted/reverse engineered by the Soviet Union.  (as in the picture shown)


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 0021 AM

How do the tankists communicate with other tanks and infantry?
MS 1 has Mg in separate ball mount. This is not an common arrangement early on.

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 0736 AM

Signal flag with tanks and knock on turret from man on fot.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 0801 AM

It requires the tankist to open his hatch and lean out. Not exactly a good idea under fire. I was thinking about a signalling lamp in an armored cowling pitted to the side of the turret with a closable armored cover. a small port can be installed in the roof to allow for either a flare pistol to fire or a flag to be passed through to indicate that the tank is communicating. 

 

As far as the infantry accompanying, why don't we just install a field telephone with a signal bulb to let the crew know someone is on the line.

 

This is actually not a bad way for units outside of earshot to communicate on the battlefield with less risk than signal flags.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 0906 AM

There were also experiments with semaphores


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 1606 PM

It requires the tankist to open his hatch and lean out. Not exactly a good idea under fire. I was thinking about a signalling lamp in an armored cowling pitted to the side of the turret with a closable armored cover. a small port can be installed in the roof to allow for either a flare pistol to fire or a flag to be passed through to indicate that the tank is communicating. 

 

As far as the infantry accompanying, why don't we just install a field telephone with a signal bulb to let the crew know someone is on the line.

 

 

The FT is so small that knocking on the hatch, the commander opens one of the hatches in the rear of turret and the infantry can shout or point while crouching beside the tank is more than enough.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 2009 PM

The FT is a stepping stone and should be regarded as the Chauchat of tanks. But actually having one lets us learn about using them and the problems associated. Problems that can be addressed at a conceptual level.
Like commander workload and visibility.
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Posted 11 March 2019 - 2225 PM

While I get what you're saying, I'd have to argue that it was not anywhere near as bad as the Chauchat - it was instead something that functioned with reasonable reliability and pointed the way forward. A better WWI example might be the Lewis Gun which while far from perfect was a very reliable and effective weapon that, over the years gave ideas that would continue to be used in weapon design (FG42, M-60). The Chauchat, while no where near as bad as it's reputation suggests, still was a dead end with it's long recoil system and would rather be more appropriately compared to the English rhomboids or the German A7V.

 

By 1925, the lessons of the FT would have been fully absorbed however. And that would mean that a tank with 3 or 4 crew, a rotating turret, a cannon for both AP & HE along with some (or in America, many) machine guns and something for communications. 

 

I would recommend licensing a tank design to produce domestically as a kickstart to our heavy industry. Perhaps the design of Walter Christie or else the Vickers Medium? 


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 2241 PM

You think so? The French clearly disagree.
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Posted 11 March 2019 - 2302 PM

Lokomotiv is primarily involved in light rail activities with MRO of mainline locos. Local ight rail is consequently quite well developed in Tankovina, Stara Zagora and Burgas.

Much of the network has been laid in postwar to make use of cancelled orders from both sides.

Iskrazavod in Tankovina was established to produce the electrical components needed for the Tankovina Electric Light Rail service. This is to eliminate smoke and smog in the capital.

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 2342 PM

You think so? The French clearly disagree.

 

the French have many good ideas but I believe there are better thoughts in the experiments of the English on their exercises. The other thing is that if our tanks are to be able to be a modern cavalry, they must be faster than the infantry just as horses always were. 

 

Which also make us wonder, what about dragoons? Fast moving infantry that doesn't fight while mounted but must be gotten there as fast as the tank's mechanical horses. 


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 0137 AM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Paris_-_Bonhams_2013_-_Citroën_P19B_chenillette_Kégresse_-_1931_-_004.jpg

 

We like the autochenille.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1847 PM

I wonder if a field telephone attached to the rear of the tank could be used for infantry communications? it wouldn't need to be more than a handset in a latched box. This would require the tank commander to have some form of headset, I think, because these machines are really quite noisy inside, even when they're not being shot at.

 

Wireless was used in the Great War in tanks, with dedicated "Radio Tank" FT17s produced from mid-to-late 1917.

 

It should be clear that radio communications would be of great use in co-ordinating action, . Of course, radio equipment is expensive, complex and fragile so would not be suitable for general issue at this time, so should be limited to command tanks, with at least one per... company? squadron? How do we intend to organise the tactical units?

 

A dedicated radio tank would severely dilute the strength of what will be a relatively small tank force, so we should be hoping to see command tanks retain suitable armament whilst also carrying the radio. Communications within the unit will have to be via hand signals or through briefing as the radio is not going to be particularly suitable for communication in action.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1920 PM

Field telephone lines can also be drawn between the tanks for communications in the assembly area. Just neds a few contacts next to the external phone box.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 1922 PM


 

A dedicated radio tank would severely dilute the strength of what will be a relatively small tank force, so we should be hoping to see command tanks retain suitable armament whilst also carrying the radio. Communications within the unit will have to be via hand signals or through briefing as the radio is not going to be particularly suitable for communication in action.

 

For testing concepts we can do this with the FT. even converting two or so into pure radio tanks, but for serious use we need a bigger new tank one way or another.


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Posted 13 March 2019 - 0532 AM

That could be a solution for armored cars also, enabling them to actually move off road.


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