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#21 Mike Steele

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 1538 PM

How are they going to operate?  I mean the Marines speak English after all..... :P



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Posted 30 November 2014 - 1637 PM

The Royal Marines, that is.  :P

 

English is the language spoken in England, by English people. Any claims that anything else is English (without modifiers or qualification) immediately & catastrophically fail the ridiculousness test, & will be laughed at by all right-thinking people.

 

In other news, Germans speak German & French people speak French.



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Posted 30 November 2014 - 2123 PM

The Royal Marines, that is.  :P
 
English is the language spoken in England, by English people. Any claims that anything else is English (without modifiers or qualification) immediately & catastrophically fail the ridiculousness test, & will be laughed at by all right-thinking people.
 
In other news, Germans speak German & French people speak French.



And We Yanks Speak, What Exactly?

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Posted 30 November 2014 - 2154 PM

And We Yanks Speak, What Exactly?

 

It is a dialect of English commonly known as Yankchain, one which is exclusive to the North American continent.  Mayor Ed Koch of New York City was the first to identify it as being a specific dialect native to certain areas of New England and Pennsylvania; and later Governor Chris Christie began promoting it as the standard English dialect for New jersey.  It has gained wide acceptance since then, especially in the media and in the world of sports.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 0036 AM

For English speakers around the world, the good news has been that it is the new lingua franca. The bad news is that its pronunciation consists of about 27 difference versions from Ireland to E Asia.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 0136 AM

For English speakers around the world, the good news has been that it is the new lingua franca. The bad news is that its pronunciation consists of about 27 difference versions from Ireland to E Asia.


And some people could use more or less randomly all those 27 versions...

(How many ways of pronouncing "tank" are out there?)

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 0419 AM

For English speakers around the world, the good news has been that it is the new lingua franca. The bad news is that its pronunciation consists of about 27 difference versions from Ireland to E Asia.

 

And further south, sport.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 0643 AM

If you have ever heard someone speaking Newfie you would wonder if it was English

Lord tundren Jesus those cars be parked side by each

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 0821 AM

Before  the homogenizing effect of modern media and personal mobility, American accents could vary as much.  To a Southerner, Noo Yawk, Baastan and Joisey were all incomrehensible, and the Yankees went nuts trying to interpret a Suth'n drawwwl.  

Until the '50s, there were isolated Appalachian communities whose English was essentially pure Elizabethan. 


Edited by shep854, 01 December 2014 - 0822 AM.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 0904 AM

Before  the homogenizing effect of modern media and personal mobility, American accents could vary as much.  To a Southerner, Noo Yawk, Baastan and Joisey were all incomrehensible, and the Yankees went nuts trying to interpret a Suth'n drawwwl.  

Until the '50s, there were isolated Appalachian communities whose English was essentially pure Elizabethan. 





Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America by David Hackett Fischer

and ​http://www.rcs.k12.v...hianDialect.pdf


Edited by rmgill, 01 December 2014 - 0930 AM.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1010 AM

Thanks, Ryan!  That video takes me back to my childhood in rural south Alabama! :D



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1039 AM

Sorry, Doug, but Diggers and Kiwis fall under the overall umbrella of Anglos. The real problem areas are Indian subcontinent, SE Asia, E Asia and Africa [the Irish remain alone too, but unchanged as problem areas].

 

Granted, I used to worry about not understanding the English, but then found out that they don't understand each other either [cf. E Anglia vs Midlands, a distance of what, a few 100 Km? - GMAFB]; ditto for what T19 said.

 

Damn, jack that thread!



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1052 AM

Sorry, Doug, but Diggers and Kiwis fall under the overall umbrella of Anglos. The real problem areas are Indian subcontinent, SE Asia, E Asia and Africa [the Irish remain alone too, but unchanged as problem areas].

 

Granted, I used to worry about not understanding the English, but then found out that they don't understand each other either [cf. E Anglia vs Midlands, a distance of what, a few 100 Km? - GMAFB]; ditto for what T19 said.

 

Damn, jack that thread!

Luxury, try understanding a weegy(Glaswegan) and a dhoric(Aberdonian) having an argument :o . I open my trap and speak The Queens English; wind up having to leg it before the two Scots turn on me :blink: . BTT.

 

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1246 PM

It's not a thread jack, it's still about Elizabeth, just the first one....

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1542 PM

Ken. There is a saying in the colonies

You can tell an Englishman

You just can't tell him much

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1603 PM

Well, that goes well with the tale of a British cavalry regiment, which had an officer that was sooo stupid, that the others noticed.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 1908 PM

Granted, I used to worry about not understanding the English, but then found out that they don't understand each other either [cf. E Anglia vs Midlands, a distance of what, a few 100 Km? - GMAFB]; ditto for what T19 said.


What was the saying?

"In England 100 miles are a long way. In the US 100 years are a long time."

Or something along these lines. Dialects need time and confinement to an area or group to develop. And mobility was maybe the next village or town for most people in ages past. So nearly isolation from other groups of speakers.

Damn, jack that thread!


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The leveling of dialects can not only attributed to modern media, but also the higher mobility of people moving around the country. If only few stay in one place for generations, how should a local dialect develop or survive if the people are constantly mixed anew?


In Germany dialects received a serious blow when the refugees from the eastern areas had to be integrated and the dialects from Silesia, east prussia etc literally die with their last speakers and their children pretty much defaulted to standard german as used in writing official documents or in the media. With many germans moving from the former DDR to the south west for jobs there it mixed up dialects even more and to communicate with each other both default to standard german too. (or what they believe standard german is ;)) Letting dialects fall into disuse even more.

In spoken language switzerland has since the 1930ies a strong tendency towards dialect to differentiate from the germans. So "fashion" and self confidence seem to play a role if dialects survive or not, too.

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 2249 PM

Movement can also mean preservation. According to my best friend, proper old Ukrainian is still spoken in Canada as kitchen language where some Ukrainains moved nearly 100 years ago, whereas in Ukraine, it's been moderated by the past ~100 years of Russian Rule. Sadly that Ukrainain in Canada is likely nearly extinct now too. 



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 2339 PM

"peckerwood" = "a dick." :lol:



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Posted 02 December 2014 - 0345 AM

Getting back to the HMS QE:

 

If the Royal Navy is having problems with an air wing that they cannot find for the 60,000t HMS QE, you can imagine the difficulties the Royal Australian Navy is having with our present government's apparent insistence on having the Camberra class LHD (27,000t) of being able to handle a small airwing of F-35 aircraft, on a ship too small to properly handle them, with no appropriate storage for aviation fuel or stores, and no maintance facilities, no AEW ortrained naval aircrew.

 

http://en.wikipedia....helicopter_dock

 

Harriers / Sea Harriers may have been feasible at a much earlier time, but F-35s now, maybe six of them....  why bother?






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