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#1 Dawes

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 2139 PM

Looks like the A-29 has rung up another (probable) foreign sale:

 

http://www.dsca.mil/...ria_16-55_1.pdf

 

In the ongoing USAF OA-X competition (which more than a few people are dubious about) the A-29 is the only one notching up combat hours (with the Afghanistan Air Force) and scoring sales successes. How much weight will this carry at the end of the competition?



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 0835 AM

Looks like the A-29 has rung up another (probable) foreign sale:

 

http://www.dsca.mil/...ria_16-55_1.pdf

 

In the ongoing USAF OA-X competition (which more than a few people are dubious about) the A-29 is the only one notching up combat hours (with the Afghanistan Air Force) and scoring sales successes. How much weight will this carry at the end of the competition?

 

I bet none, because NIH.



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 1418 PM

Aren't Iraqi AT-6 racking up combat hours, too?

Thanks to Sierra Navada Corporation involvement, the A-29 is now American!

Interesting that US SOCOM may team with USAF for the OA-X evaluation to meet their Light Attack Support for Special Operations (LASSO) requirement. They've already released a RFI.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 1509 PM

USAF can't come out and say so, but I think they prefer the A-29 over the AT-6.



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 1809 PM

USAF can't come out and say so, but I think they prefer the A-29 over the AT-6.


They said so - officially - twice! The original LAS program and the recompete. It'll be interesting to see how close the LAS requirements are to the OA-X ones.

http://www.defense-a...od=131684&cat=3

LAS is (or was) a program of record, OA-X isn't.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 1940 PM

Unofficially as well as officially.



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Posted 04 August 2017 - 2156 PM

Realistically speaking how soon could we see one of these planes flying missions for the US?  These birds are effectively ready off the shelf yet from googling this subject it sounds like it could be years til something is procured if they're even procured at all.  :glare:


Edited by Skywalkre, 04 August 2017 - 2200 PM.


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 2250 PM

Related to the concept of lower cost CAS birds that the A-29 falls into, here's an article from Proceedings last year on the employment of the OV-10s in Iraq.

https://www.usni.org...-12-cleared-hot

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 0411 AM

Realistically speaking how soon could we see one of these planes flying missions for the US?  These birds are effectively ready off the shelf yet from googling this subject it sounds like it could be years til something is procured if they're even procured at all.  :glare:


Given that the USAF seems to loath the light attack mission, it depends how prolonged the pressure is vs. the recalcitrance of the USAF air power extremists/jihadists/fundamentalists that see the Air war as an end to itself.

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 0851 AM

Perfect fit for Army Aviation...



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 1011 AM

...if we could only get rid of that pesky Key West agreement.



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 1413 PM

Yeah... :glare:

The same Air Force that mandated OV-10s over Vietnam ONLY carry WP marking rockets, so they wouldn't be considered 'strike aircraft' and interfere with fast jet funding...



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 1535 PM

This thread reminds me of something Calvinb1nav stated several years ago.  I remember something about he was part of or saw the report the USAF did on purchasing some cheaper aircraft like this so they could run the air campaign in Afghanistan for less and save the wear, tear, and expense of running the high end birds there constantly.  IIRC there was also secondary bonus to aircraft like this being able to loiter and provide more effective CAS than the fast movers.  The result was that it was canned for stupid political BS by the fighter jocks.



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 1539 PM

The A-29 would be most useful in an Afghanistan-type environment. At least until the first MANPADS shows up. 



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Posted 05 August 2017 - 2309 PM

MANPADS is a threat to be managed, presence thereof doesn't preclude air operations. Having coordinated the operation of both rotary and fixed-wing aircraft in an environment where MANPADS are present (& have scored kills), so long as detection & countermeasures equipment are fitted, the threat is acceptable.

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 0755 AM

Related to the concept of lower cost CAS birds that the A-29 falls into, here's an article from Proceedings last year on the employment of the OV-10s in Iraq.

https://www.usni.org...-12-cleared-hot

 

 

http://www.tank-net....showtopic=41533

http://www.tank-net....showtopic=29595

http://www.tank-net....showtopic=27332

 

Comes up from time to time. The concept has definitely merit: a cheap plane to bomb the savages. But turf war in the Pentagon makes the USAF spend bazillions on the next great big thing although a programme for somthing like a bronco could probably be budeted with two less F-35 or less gold plating in general. those birds are cheap.



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Posted 06 August 2017 - 0757 AM

The A-29 would be most useful in an Afghanistan-type environment. At least until the first MANPADS shows up. 

 

by way of the Afghan Air Force they employ these planes. Even funded with US money mostly, but circumventing the Pentagon politics.



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Posted 30 August 2017 - 0829 AM

Further discussion, centered on the Textron Scorpion:

 

http://www.thefirear...se-air-support/

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