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#1381 Ken Estes

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 1723 PM

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"


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Posted 07 February 2020 - 1857 PM

 

What's the battlesight range for an M60A1?

 

When? 

During the 1970s the US Armor force adopted 1600m base of target battlesight for APDS, 1100m base of target for HEAT.  This was changed in the early 1980s to 1200m center of target for APDS / APFSDS and 900m ceter of target for HEAT.  It's remained as such ever since with the M60A3, the M1, and M1A1 all sharing the same battlesight range.  Of course those are default BS ranges with the understanding that the range could be adjusted up or down depending on the battlefield and situation.


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Posted 07 February 2020 - 1859 PM

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

Now you did it, now we're about to hear all about the virtues of Squash Head and its supreme ability to hit and kill tanks at fantastic ranges.


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#1384 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 0319 AM

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

 

The guy who took the 5100 metre shot also claims he was able to hit a moving T62 with Hesh at 1500 metres. As he says though, it was one hell of a lucky shot.

https://www.arrse.co...r1-shot.155024/

 

'however the shot i was really proud of is mentioned by Mad Pierre by mistake,which was a T62 mover reversing up and out of a hull down position at about 1500m, and was hit with a HESH first round through the top of the turret, again fine laid without autolay, never did like it much. hope this helps. i was always a lucky gunner.'

 

 

 

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

Now you did it, now we're about to hear all about the virtues of Squash Head and its supreme ability to hit and kill tanks at fantastic ranges.

 

Nobody here has ever asserted any such thing, least of all myself.  Ive just tried to illustrate the basic difference between Obsolecent and Obsolete, which seems to go over everyones head like they indexed HEAT.


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#1385 Chris Werb

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 0709 AM

 

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

 

The guy who took the 5100 metre shot also claims he was able to hit a moving T62 with Hesh at 1500 metres. As he says though, it was one hell of a lucky shot.

https://www.arrse.co...r1-shot.155024/

 

'however the shot i was really proud of is mentioned by Mad Pierre by mistake,which was a T62 mover reversing up and out of a hull down position at about 1500m, and was hit with a HESH first round through the top of the turret, again fine laid without autolay, never did like it much. hope this helps. i was always a lucky gunner.'

 

 

 

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

Now you did it, now we're about to hear all about the virtues of Squash Head and its supreme ability to hit and kill tanks at fantastic ranges.

 

Nobody here has ever asserted any such thing, least of all myself.  Ive just tried to illustrate the basic difference between Obsolecent and Obsolete, which seems to go over everyones head like they indexed HEAT.

 

 

 

1500M vs a moving target with 120mm HESH is not a "lucky" shot Stewart - try it out in SB. You don't need to get much further out than that before your hit probability starts to fall off dramatically, but 1500 is OK.


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Posted 08 February 2020 - 0733 AM

...provided that the target drives at a steady rate. Simulated vehicles tend to be a bit more reliable than human drivers. ;)


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Posted 08 February 2020 - 0740 AM

 

 

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

 

The guy who took the 5100 metre shot also claims he was able to hit a moving T62 with Hesh at 1500 metres. As he says though, it was one hell of a lucky shot.

https://www.arrse.co...r1-shot.155024/

 

'however the shot i was really proud of is mentioned by Mad Pierre by mistake,which was a T62 mover reversing up and out of a hull down position at about 1500m, and was hit with a HESH first round through the top of the turret, again fine laid without autolay, never did like it much. hope this helps. i was always a lucky gunner.'

 

 

 

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

Now you did it, now we're about to hear all about the virtues of Squash Head and its supreme ability to hit and kill tanks at fantastic ranges.

 

Nobody here has ever asserted any such thing, least of all myself.  Ive just tried to illustrate the basic difference between Obsolecent and Obsolete, which seems to go over everyones head like they indexed HEAT.

 

 

 

1500M vs a moving target with 120mm HESH is not a "lucky" shot Stewart - try it out in SB. You don't need to get much further out than that before your hit probability starts to fall off dramatically, but 1500 is OK.

 

But the likelihood is, this was via TOGS. Which if you know the symbology of TOGS, is pretty remarkable. You dont  get the graticule you would get looking through the day sight, and he wasnt using autolay.


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Posted 18 May 2020 - 0523 AM

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Warrior IFV escape "tunnel" 

 

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and some armour


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Posted 18 May 2020 - 0832 AM


 


HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

 
The guy who took the 5100 metre shot also claims he was able to hit a moving T62 with Hesh at 1500 metres. As he says though, it was one hell of a lucky shot.
https://www.arrse.co...r1-shot.155024/
 
'however the shot i was really proud of is mentioned by Mad Pierre by mistake,which was a T62 mover reversing up and out of a hull down position at about 1500m, and was hit with a HESH first round through the top of the turret, again fine laid without autolay, never did like it much. hope this helps. i was always a lucky gunner.'
 
 

 


HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

Now you did it, now we're about to hear all about the virtues of Squash Head and its supreme ability to hit and kill tanks at fantastic ranges.
 
Nobody here has ever asserted any such thing, least of all myself.  Ive just tried to illustrate the basic difference between Obsolecent and Obsolete, which seems to go over everyones head like they indexed HEAT.
 
 
 
1500M vs a moving target with 120mm HESH is not a "lucky" shot Stewart - try it out in SB. You don't need to get much further out than that before your hit probability starts to fall off dramatically, but 1500 is OK.

The graticule lines for HESH for the sights on Chieftain and Challenger1 maxes out at 3100m. After that range there is no way to see the target as the barrel would be elevated so the target would out of the sight picture so a HESH shot under 3100m is very do-able. The famous tank shot was made using a sabot round not HESH.
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Posted 18 May 2020 - 0832 AM


 


HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

 
The guy who took the 5100 metre shot also claims he was able to hit a moving T62 with Hesh at 1500 metres. As he says though, it was one hell of a lucky shot.
https://www.arrse.co...r1-shot.155024/
 
'however the shot i was really proud of is mentioned by Mad Pierre by mistake,which was a T62 mover reversing up and out of a hull down position at about 1500m, and was hit with a HESH first round through the top of the turret, again fine laid without autolay, never did like it much. hope this helps. i was always a lucky gunner.'
 
 

 


HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

Now you did it, now we're about to hear all about the virtues of Squash Head and its supreme ability to hit and kill tanks at fantastic ranges.
 
Nobody here has ever asserted any such thing, least of all myself.  Ive just tried to illustrate the basic difference between Obsolecent and Obsolete, which seems to go over everyones head like they indexed HEAT.
 
 
 
1500M vs a moving target with 120mm HESH is not a "lucky" shot Stewart - try it out in SB. You don't need to get much further out than that before your hit probability starts to fall off dramatically, but 1500 is OK.

The graticule lines for HESH for the sights on Chieftain and Challenger1 maxes out at 3100m. After that range there is no way to see the target as the barrel would be elevated so the target would out of the sight picture so a HESH shot under 3100m is very do-able. The famous tank shot was made using a sabot round not HESH.
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Posted 30 May 2020 - 0701 AM

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 0558 AM

Some of those pics gave me feelings of claustrophobia...


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Posted 02 June 2020 - 0654 AM

Some of those pics gave me feelings of claustrophobia...


Try repairing the electronic s in a AFV crew comfort was a secondary concern access to the boxes for repair was lower than that.
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Posted 02 June 2020 - 0720 AM


Try repairing the electronic s in a AFV ...

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Posted 02 June 2020 - 1536 PM

Suitable for enlargement and framing on paneled management walls  :D


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Posted 05 June 2020 - 1902 PM

 

HEP is almost useless in tank vs tank on the move. Nobody I knew in US forces ever gave a fig about carrying much of it. If anything, it only fueled the equally hopeless position of the old salts who swore. "we never should have given up the [M]48s!"

 

The guy who took the 5100 metre shot also claims he was able to hit a moving T62 with Hesh at 1500 metres. As he says though, it was one hell of a lucky shot.

https://www.arrse.co...r1-shot.155024/

 

'however the shot i was really proud of is mentioned by Mad Pierre by mistake,which was a T62 mover reversing up and out of a hull down position at about 1500m, and was hit with a HESH first round through the top of the turret, again fine laid without autolay, never did like it much. hope this helps. i was always a lucky gunner.'


 

Reversing T62 is pretty much a stationary target though :D

 

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Posted 07 June 2020 - 0149 AM

Ill give you that one. :D


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Posted 07 June 2020 - 1031 AM

ILAQVfyizuQ.jpg
 
Warrior IFV escape "tunnel" 
 
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hh_E25Dq9JU.jpg
uaWuqKACC2I.jpg
 
and some armour


Reminds me of arriving at my first unit. AFV evacuation drills from a Warrior repair varient: Who shall we use as the casualty? The new officer of course! Track rope under the arms, drop the seat back and dragged out backwards over the fuel tank. Good times!
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Posted 16 June 2020 - 1052 AM

The driver escape tunnel in Ajax is similar.
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