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#241 JasonJ

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 0759 AM

 

 

Another picture of the Type 75.

 

 

Next picture update

 

 

 

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Two more images in the spoiler

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Might be launched soon.

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Couple of more images in the spoiler

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#242 Nobu

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 0832 AM

 

Possibly, although I would be hesitant to operate vintage submarines dating back to 1944 at anywhere near their diving or maneuvering limits in the course of such training for mean time before failure engineering reasons if anything.

When the time comes for the Republic of Chinese to choose between fight or flight against a possible invasion, these improved Gato-class submarines maintained in perfect operating condition but rendered incapable of actually firing against enemy targets seem optimized for the latter in various ways.

 
Submarine hulls have a limited life, my guess is this boats don't go very deep. US Fleet boats weren't particularly silent or fast, if I had to flee, i'd rather go by plane.

I would tend to agree, but after the balloon goes up, fleeing by air may be complicated by loss of Republic of Chinese control of its airspace. These 2 boats with a range of 16,000 miles give their senior military leadership and their families multiple fleeing options.

Priorities and all that.


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#243 JasonJ

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0903 AM

Carrier Liaoning heading out.

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Spotted sailing with a Type 55 destroyer.

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#244 JasonJ

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 0554 AM

Type 75 LHD launching ceremony today.

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Posted 26 September 2019 - 0259 AM

And out the dock.

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#246 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 26 September 2019 - 0501 AM

Looks like HMS Hermes without the Ski Jump. :D


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Posted 26 September 2019 - 0523 AM

PLAN talking about hosting Stealth Drones on their carriers.

https://www.thedrive...s-perfect-sense

 

Im thinking the X47 deployment may undergo something of a rethink.....


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Posted 26 September 2019 - 1214 PM

Looks like Kaga  :D


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Posted 26 September 2019 - 1220 PM

Looks more like Dokdo:

 

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Posted 26 September 2019 - 1402 PM

Flood forward torpedo tubes.


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#251 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0141 AM

Got to give them credit, they build some fine looking ships.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0221 AM

PLAN talking about hosting Stealth Drones on their carriers.

https://www.thedrive...s-perfect-sense

 

Im thinking the X47 deployment may undergo something of a rethink.....

Stealth drones plus ASBM armed cruisers would be a formidable combination.


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#253 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0748 AM

This probably belongs on a PLARF thread.

https://www.thedrive...ina-just-leaked

China appears to have accidentally revealed the existence of a new high-speed ground-launched missile. A brief glimpse of what looks to be a test launch of this previously unseen weapon emerged earlier this week in an official video released in the run-up to the 70th anniversary of the founding of the Communist State on Oct. 1. There have already been indications that a number of new or otherwise previously unseen aircraft, missiles, and other systems will be present at a major parade in Beijing to mark the occasion next week.

The People's Liberation Army Rocket Force, or PLARF, posted the full video on social media on Sept. 25, 2019. Sometime afterward, the original one-minute long montage was replaced with one that omitted the launch of the unknown weapon and replaced it with unrelated footage of known missiles, according to the South China Morning Post.

The PLARF is in charge of China's strategic nuclear arsenal, as well as a variety of conventionally-armed long-range ground-based ballistic and cruise missiles. The service is also in charge of ballistic missile defense, which may then also include anti-satellite capabilities. The PLARF came into being in 2015 with the decision to elevate what was previously known as the 2nd Artillery Force into a full service with equal status to the People's Liberation Army's Army, Air Force, and Navy.

There is no obvious indication about what this new missile is or what its mission may be. The video shows that it is vertically launched from a 10-wheel transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) that appears to be able to carry two of the weapons in a ready-to-fire configuration. Photos of preparations for the 70th-anniversary parade in Beijing on Oct. 1, 2019, have shown a similar, previously unseen TEL with its entire rear section tarped off.

 

To my mind, it looks very reminicent of Pershing 2. So you wonder if its made with Taiwan and maybe even Japan in mind.


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#254 JasonJ

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0805 AM

AShM or SAM?
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0817 AM

They dont know. From the article they speculate its got a Ramjet engine, which implies long range high speed cruise. But it cant be ruled out dual use Land/sea attack.

 

'The main weapon has large strakes or fins and what appear to be a number of relatively long and thin fairings at the tail end, which some have suggested could be ramjet intakes. An air-breathing ramjet propulsion system would fit with the large booster motor, since the weapon would then need to get up to an appropriate speed and altitude before its engines could function properly. A number of existing Chinese supersonic anti-ship missiles, such as the YJ-12 series or the newer HD-1, use a similar general configuration.

The PLARF already operates the ground-based subsonic CJ-10 land-attack cruise missile, which has a range of approximately 930 miles. This has led some to believe that this new weapon is a supersonic, or possibly hypersonic, land-attack cruise missile intended to replace that existing weapon. Hypersonic speed is defined as greater than Mach 5. The wide nose and missile body, together with the strakes/fins, would seem to make it unlikely that this is indeed a hypersonic weapon.
 

Others have posited that it could be a new quasi-ballistic missile. However, the strakes/fins and possible ramjet propulsion would be at odds with what one would expect to see in a weapon that is supposed to fly in a ballistic flight path.

Regardless of the exact nature of its configuration, the weapon could also potentially be intended for other roles instead of or in addition to striking land targets, including engaging hostile ships at extended ranges. The PLARF has already developed significant anti-ship ballistic missile capabilities, most notably with the DF-21D medium-range ballistic missile and the DF-26 intermediate-range ballistic missile, the latter of which is seen in the video below.'


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0924 AM

Interesting, and just in time for their celebration day. It will likely be on parade next week or so.
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0046 AM

Boost to ~30 km altitude, then high speed air-breathing propulsion ? Terminal guidance then becomes a bit easier than for a ballistic missile.


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#258 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0646 AM

This may be the weapon described as Dong Feng 17, which seems to have been refered to before.

http://www.china.org...nt_75265342.htm

 

They also seem to have unveiled a new ICBM, the Dong Feng 41.


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#259 KV7

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0829 AM

 

There is some rumors they have a plan for a ballistic missile carrying ship, carrying DF-21/26. That would probably be a big ship if it ever gets made.

That seems exceedingly impractical. Probably sino fanboi bullshit like the H-6K mounted DF-21.

 

Seems like it (aero-ballistic missile on H-K6) was not totally fanboi bullshit after all (not trying to make a snide point here).


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 0900 AM

Indeed, I stand corrected. It may not be DF-21, but the attachment points and shaping of the fuselage clearly indicate a large missile or weapon pod hard point. I assume we'll get a first look during the 70th celebrations. Presumably this would be for very long ranged, high priority static targets since I can't see how they would generate targeting data outside DF-26 range.


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