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#421 JasonJ

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 0736 AM

US put sanctions on Iran central bank.

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#422 Mighty_Zuk

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 0934 AM

The game changer, as Zuk pointed out some time ago, will be long range rockets with guidance kits.


And it will be interesting to see how terrorist groups will acquire that capability. They already have access to GPS data and sat imagery.

States could smuggle loads of bolt-on GPS guidance kits, and terrorists could use Grads to a whole new level of deadliness.

No more small packs of drones or highly expensive cruise missiles, but small, cheap, and saturating fires with pinpoint accuracy on tankers and infrastructure from within Houthi territory.
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#423 Josh

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 2001 PM

That game change is for Israel. For the rest of the world, nothing chanbges. Except that the USA builds its foreign policy on a country smaller than any of the half dozen cities. Most importantly, no one wants to lose FLA. So Cuba and Israel are more important than any American city.
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#424 Nobu

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 2216 PM

KSA navy brings 11 Frigate/Corvettes and 9 patrol boats to the party (assuming all are operational), not a minor number considering they be based locally. The question would be is how effective they would be and how much risk is KSA willing to accept?  

 

The effectiveness of the Saudi Arabian Navy in combat against armed naval opposition could be nil. The danger would be in losing a number of its frigates to the Iranians as prizes of war, inshallah.

 

That game change is for Israel. For the rest of the world, nothing chanbges. Except that the USA builds its foreign policy on a country smaller than any of the half dozen cities. Most importantly, no one wants to lose FLA. So Cuba and Israel are more important than any American city.

 

I may not like that Israel and Israelis have managed to accomplish this, but I also respect that they have actually managed to accomplish this. 


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#425 Brian Kennedy

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 0924 AM

The activity of the Gulf State navies is a bit of a black hole. I mean, I assume theyre incompetent but they must be doing -something-.
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#426 Colin

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 1522 PM

KSA navy brings 11 Frigate/Corvettes and 9 patrol boats to the party (assuming all are operational), not a minor number considering they be based locally. The question would be is how effective they would be and how much risk is KSA willing to accept?  

 

The effectiveness of the Saudi Arabian Navy in combat against armed naval opposition could be nil. The danger would be in losing a number of its frigates to the Iranians as prizes of war, inshallah.

 

That game change is for Israel. For the rest of the world, nothing chanbges. Except that the USA builds its foreign policy on a country smaller than any of the half dozen cities. Most importantly, no one wants to lose FLA. So Cuba and Israel are more important than any American city.

 

I may not like that Israel and Israelis have managed to accomplish this, but I also respect that they have actually managed to accomplish this. 

Found these links

https://thearabweekl...-crucial-saudis

 

http://www.navalrevi...l11num3art7.pdf

 

https://navaltoday.c...yal-saudi-navy/

 

https://www.egypttod...ticipate-in-Red


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#427 Chris Werb

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 1830 PM

 

The game changer, as Zuk pointed out some time ago, will be long range rockets with guidance kits.


And it will be interesting to see how terrorist groups will acquire that capability. They already have access to GPS data and sat imagery.

States could smuggle loads of bolt-on GPS guidance kits, and terrorists could use Grads to a whole new level of deadliness.

No more small packs of drones or highly expensive cruise missiles, but small, cheap, and saturating fires with pinpoint accuracy on tankers and infrastructure from within Houthi territory.

 

 

I was actually thinking from Gaza onto Israel...


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#428 Nobu

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Posted 22 September 2019 - 2044 PM

The $20 billion Saudi naval enhancement program is a staggeringly expensive solution to what is essentially a littoral problem for them.

 

There is a disconnect between the amount they are spending and the capability the kingdom could ever hope to reap from it, aka reality.


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#429 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 0138 AM

I KNEW they would buy LCS. :D


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#430 BansheeOne

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 0635 AM

They probably will do for some more time, then release it just to show their power. Same thing they did with the US embassy hostages, holding onto them until Reagan was inaugurated as a final "fuck you" to Carter.


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Iran says seized Stena Impero oil tanker is 'free to go'

By Raf Sanchez and Agence France-Presse

23 SEPTEMBER 2019 11:13 AM

Iran has said the British-flagged Stena Impero oil tanker is free to leave its waters more than two months after the vessel was seized by Revolutionary Guard forces.

"The legal process has finished and based on that the conditions for letting the oil tanker go free have been fulfilled and the oil tanker can move, said Ali Rabiei, a government spokesman.

It was not clear when the Stena Impero would actually set sail.

The release of the vessel and its crew would mark the end of two-month standoff between the UK and Iran after each seized one of the others oil tankers.

The Grace 1 oil tanker, which was seized by Royal Marines on July 4, was released from Gibraltar in August.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps surrounded the Stena Impero with attack boats before rappelling onto the deck of the tanker in the Strait of Hormuz on July 19, in an apparent tit-for-tat response.

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Stena Bulk, the company that owns the tanker, said on Sunday that it expected the vessel to be released soon, but expressed caution about the situation.

"We understand that the political decision has been taken to release the ship," Stena Bulk's chief executive Erik Hanell told Swedish television station SVT.

We hope it will be able to leave in a few hours, but we don't want to take anything for granted. We want to make sure the ship sails out of Iranian territorial waters," he said.

The 23-man crew aboard the Stena Impero was made up 18 Indians, three Russians, a Latvian and a Filipino. No British citizens were onboard.



https://www.telegrap...tanker-free-go/
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#431 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 0639 AM

Its not over till the rotund lady vocalizes.


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#432 Chris Werb

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 0733 AM

There is a disconnect between the amount they are spending and the capability the kingdom could ever hope to reap from it, aka reality.

 

IoW it's a typical Saudi defence programme.


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#433 Nobu

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 1304 PM

The Saudis would and could generate a massively greater amount of soft power by re-directing their hard power expenditures to that effect. Making their funding, and thereby themselves, indispensible to the global hunger and disease eradication relief effort, as well as cancer research, would be well within their capabilities.

 

Iran says seized Stena Impero oil tanker is 'free to go'

 

A little longer than anticipated.


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#434 Chris Werb

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Posted 24 September 2019 - 1655 PM

The Saudis would and could generate a massively greater amount of soft power by re-directing their hard power expenditures to that effect. Making their funding, and thereby themselves, indispensible to the global hunger and disease eradication relief effort, as well as cancer research, would be well within their capabilities.

 

 

I have often thought that. Sadly, they would rather purchase another solid gold toilet.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0223 AM

Well its on the way back out, so I guess thats over.

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#436 BansheeOne

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0339 AM

BTW, did the Gibraltar court ever rule on whether the Grace 1 was actually in breach of EU sanctions, or did it just find it a moot point after Iran promised she wouldn't go to Syria anyway? I can't seem to find the full decision online.
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#437 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0350 AM

I think they just accepted at face value that Iran said she would not go to Syria. Which she hasnt, just. :D


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#438 Colin

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 0951 AM

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 0038 AM

Calm before the storm, which may give Tehran the idea that it has weathered the worst of it.

 

WIth Bolton out, that idea may become reality.


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 0224 AM

And remarkably, an Iranian tanker is hit by 2 missiles and set afire off Jeddah. Saddam Hussein is unavailable for comment.

https://www.dailymai...udi-Arabia.html


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