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#6441 KV7

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 2207 PM

I am a little surprised that no effort was put into some rudimentary fire control system. I can think of many cases where it would be useful (i.e. long range direct fire support against buildings or dug in infantry in an assault).


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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0107 AM

Do you mean the 2S1? It has a simple sighting system and manual hand cranks. That's more than enough for firing at buildings at long range.
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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0132 AM

Do you mean the 2S1? It has a simple sighting system and manual hand cranks. That's more than enough for firing at buildings at long range.

A night sight and a rangefinder of some sort would be nice to have too though.


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#6444 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0215 AM

Night sight and a rangefinder for the 122 mm 2S1? With the short effective firing range in direct shooting?

 

In the end, the commanders really think that would be a replacement for MBT's.  ^_^ 


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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0246 AM

The modest muzzle velocity itself is a motivation for at least a coincidence rangefinder as otherwise hitting houses, machine gun nest, or ATGM positions from 2000 meters or so is not so easy.


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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0454 AM

Different than previous Yugoimport mods which were based on the Russian components. This one has local ERA, French comms, Belarus (licensed French) sights and Israeli ammo. It is not clear which engine is used, local 1000hp V-46TK  or something else.

 

The ERA coverage is much better than in the previous version shown in Yugoimport. Any particular reason to change suppliers from Russian to others? Diversification?


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#6447 bojan

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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0632 AM

 

The ERA coverage is much better than in the previous version shown in Yugoimport. Any particular reason to change suppliers from Russian to others? Diversification?

 

Previous one with Russian components was aimed at Kuwait, where Israely parts are no-no.


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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0637 AM

Night sight and a rangefinder for the 122 mm 2S1? With the short effective firing range in direct shooting?

 

In the end, the commanders really think that would be a replacement for MBT's.  ^_^

 

Locally, each 2S1 battery had two ALD M80 laser rangefinders. They were allocated in the reconnaissance section of the command platoon. But those were rangefinders intended for artillery purposes, not for direct fire from the individual guns.


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#6449 Stefan Kotsch

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Posted 09 June 2020 - 0749 AM

It makes sense.  Using a single SPG for direct shooting is the means of extreme "poverty".  Of course you can equip SPG with Laser-RF a.s.o, only, the finances are limited everytime.  Exclusively for an absolute rare emergency you will not spend money on "bells and whistles".  SPG shoots at 2000 (!) meters at ATGM or so better in the battery or section according to the forward observer and digital fire solution. If near fire becomes necessary, the poop is already steaming.


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Posted 23 June 2020 - 1524 PM

I'm not sure where to put these tweets, so i'll put them here, since the Armor of Ukraine thread seems defunct:

 

 

A lot of ERA on the T-64 MBT upgraded by the Russian-backed separatist forces. Ukraine, Donbass region, 22.06.2020 https://twitter.com/...125518904569856

 

 

 

 

 

Upgraded by the Russian-backed separatist forces' BMP-2. Ukraine, Donbass region, 22.06.2020 https://twitter.com/...125886417764358

 

 

 

The bustles are likely for safer ammo storage. (I couldn't post the photos). :(


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#6451 Gavin-Phillips

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 1024 AM

Its more than just a bit strange to see ERA fitted to a BMP.  I recall quite a lengthly discussion on this very matter (BMP, BTR, other various lightly armoured vehicles) on TankNet a few years back.  I wonder just how well it'd work considering how thin the side armour of a BMP actually is.  Is this a special kind of "light" ERA?

 

I'm not sure where to put these tweets, so i'll put them here, since the Armor of Ukraine thread seems defunct:

 

 

A lot of ERA on the T-64 MBT upgraded by the Russian-backed separatist forces. Ukraine, Donbass region, 22.06.2020 https://twitter.com/...125518904569856

 

 

 

 

 

Upgraded by the Russian-backed separatist forces' BMP-2. Ukraine, Donbass region, 22.06.2020 https://twitter.com/...125886417764358

 

 

 

The bustles are likely for safer ammo storage. (I couldn't post the photos). :(


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