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#21 Simon Tan

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 0903 AM

YOu are buying the same POS we did. Is POS. Flying on a waiver.


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 1259 PM

Philippine government forces sent to put down the Daesh assault do seem to have varying uniforms, and with them varying levels of equipment.  These next photos are from a Daily Mail article which had a good many useful photos:

 

What appear to be Federal Police frisk a Muslim man.  The photo provides a view of both the older M16 rifle on the left and the new M4-type carbine on the right:

 

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This net photo shows Philippine Army soldiers, all with modern helmets, if not the newest type and several with visible plate carrier for front-and-back body armor.  Most of the weapons are M4 along with two M249 (FN Minimi) SAWs..  At least 1 older M16 is visible, but the real surprise is the soldier in front of the man with the M16; He is carrying the M16's predecessor, the 7.62x51mm M14.

 

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A newer AR-15 type rifle, fitted with a railed handguard, M203 grenade launcher, and an adjustable buttstock.  Note also that it is being used with the original-type 20-round magazine (although the mag itself seems to be newer production):

 

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This last photo comes from @chiarazambrano's Twitter feed.  It shows a group of Philippine Marines doing a house-to-house sweep.  Note that like their American counterparts, the Marines wear a different camouflage pattern than that used by the Army as a way to differentiate themselves.  Note also the MG on the ground is an upgraded M60 GPMG:

 

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 1318 PM

Older vehicles that have received automotive upgrades remain Philippine Army mainstays:

 

Upgraded V-150 Commando:

 

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UH-1 Huey:

 

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M113A2 or A3:

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#24 Simon Tan

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0522 AM

Not Commando. GKN Simba.

 

The construction in Marawi is much lighter than Damascus or Aleppo. ZU-23 will just shoot through buildings.

 

ETA:- They need to stop carrying belts a la Rambo and leave them in ammo holders or ammo cans.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0542 AM


ETA:- They need to stop carrying belts a la Rambo and leave them in ammo holders or ammo cans.

Usually people carrying belts like this (it started long before Rambo) are not members of MG team but regular soldiers loaded with extra ammunition for their platoon \company MGs when there is little hope of proper supply. So they do not have ammo holders, and ammo cans would prevent them doing their main tasks.
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Note part of ammunition missing for some reason in belt carried by Asian-looking Marine


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0604 AM

I think you'll find they are draping belts over themselves for stylistic purposes since they are no more than a few hundred meters from trucks and other transport. In any case, it's ridiculous to say they have no satchels etc. suitable. The SAA is much better, their infantry have no problem carrying their ammo in 250 round cans or in packs. Carrying your belted ammo in that way is a known reason for stoppages, especially with disintegrating push trhough links.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0612 AM

I think you'll find they are draping belts over themselves for stylistic purposes since they are no more than a few hundred meters from trucks and other transport. In any case, it's ridiculous to say they have no satchels etc. suitable. The SAA is much better, their infantry have no problem carrying their ammo in 250 round cans or in packs. Carrying your belted ammo in that way is a known reason for stoppages, especially with disintegrating push trhough links.

I am not sure it is “their” trucks, that they would stay with unit and not leave for other transportations or just in case battle going wrong, and soldiers do not know how long (and far) the battle going to last.  Yes carrying mg belts this way is bad for belts, but it was done for long time, probably right from introduction of this belts.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0615 AM

In the case of canvas belts like above, they were ersatz bandoleers for the infantry who could in a pinch loose load their rifles or magazines (in the case of the SVT). M13 links.....not so much.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0736 AM

In the case of canvas belts like above, they were ersatz bandoleers for the infantry who could in a pinch loose load their rifles or magazines

Not always – like in this case where we see marines armed with PPSh (using other ammo) and one sniper rifle, but with both belts and ammo boxes for Maxim

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 0743 AM

In other news, the PAF had a column shot up doing a Grozny. They are predictably sucking at street fighting. 


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 1248 PM

Duterte cancels trip to Japan.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 1310 PM

M113A2 or A3:

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I could swear this was a Gav!n, but is in fact a Torres !!!

 

The tracks look suspiciously rusty and uniformly, a parade ground queen?


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 1328 PM

 


ETA:- They need to stop carrying belts a la Rambo and leave them in ammo holders or ammo cans.

Usually people carrying belts like this (it started long before Rambo) are not members of MG team but regular soldiers loaded with extra ammunition for their platoon \company MGs when there is little hope of proper supply. So they do not have ammo holders, and ammo cans would prevent them doing their main tasks.
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Note part of ammunition missing for some reason in belt carried by Asian-looking Marine

 

 

Maybe he was carrying his ammo on stripper clips for easier loading.  That would make sense given the SVT-40 rifle he is shown carrying.  He had a rifle with twice the ammo capacity of the Mosin-Nagant and a higher rate of fire, being semi-automatic.  Loading single rounds would reduce his rate fire and thus remove a key advantage of the SVT.


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Posted 31 May 2017 - 1804 PM

In other news, the PAF had a column shot up doing a Grozny. They are predictably sucking at street fighting. 

 

Actually, they aren't doing badly.  MOUT is a hard skill set and the Philippine Army does need to avoid excessive civilian casualties.  That said, that loss of some of a column's vehicles has been verified by Daesh photos:

 

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 2008 PM

The worst thing you can do is fail. Slowly. You dont channel on streets but mousehole through buildings. Walls can be repaired. Buildings rebuilt. Dominate with observation and bring crew serveds up. So far...a solid D.
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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0150 AM

I think you'll find they are draping belts over themselves for stylistic purposes since they are no more than a few hundred meters from trucks and other transport.

 

This. A lot.

 

The Philippine military is big in style. Unfortunately.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0153 AM

The worst thing you can do is fail. Slowly. You dont channel on streets but mousehole through buildings. Walls can be repaired. Buildings rebuilt. Dominate with observation and bring crew serveds up. So far...a solid D.

 

They won't do that. Because, many reasons. All stupid ones.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0354 AM

 

In other news, the PAF had a column shot up doing a Grozny. They are predictably sucking at street fighting. 

 

Actually, they aren't doing badly.  MOUT is a hard skill set and the Philippine Army does need to avoid excessive civilian casualties. 

 

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0357 AM

The worst thing you can do is fail. Slowly. You dont channel on streets but mousehole through buildings. Walls can be repaired. Buildings rebuilt. Dominate with observation and bring crew serveds up. So far...a solid D.

What you propose is not slow but very slow, and require lots of boots on the ground. I am not sure Philippines got both of this assets – time and trained manpower. Situation seems very difficult.


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Posted 01 June 2017 - 0503 AM

As with all armies, they have not been paying attention when other people are working. I watched a FIBUA exercise here and asked where the ladders, picks, crowbars and sledgehammers were. The officer looked at me like I was insane. Perhaps I was to suggest that he might want to smash holes in the training buildings.

 

You can never lose quickly enough.


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