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#14921 Mighty_Zuk

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 0911 AM

Funny enough, the population went up in the British mandate due to immigration (both Arab and Jew) and infant mortality went down, but then what did the British ever give us anyways....... 


That was not the work of the British. That was the result of a massive and coordinated drive to redevelop the land by Jewish immigrants starting in 1887.
British contribution was, at best, a very gray subject.
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#14922 Roman Alymov

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 1236 PM

Fresh ANNA-News report from Syria. Note Gov forses sniper with Mosin rifle and Ukrainian cookies found with rebels


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Posted 13 July 2019 - 1359 PM

Interesting video from the loud Davai! to what sounds like quiet Hungarian "what happened?" at 7:11 ...


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Posted 13 July 2019 - 2143 PM

hard fought battle, a bit of a panic when the crew bailed from the BMP with it still moving and burning towards the HQ building.


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#14925 Roman Alymov

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 0342 AM

hard fought battle, a bit of a panic when the crew bailed from the BMP with it still moving and burning towards the HQ building.

Rus narration says BMP was hit when it stopped on the way to pick up wounded soldier - so quite likely it was standing with 1st gear on, clutch pressed and engine idling. When hit by ATGM and driver bailed out, clutch pedal was released and vehicle started to slowly roll with engine idle speed. It brought the vehicle closer to stronghold and made it possible to recover wounded soldiers from it (we see two unconscious with shellshock)


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1048 AM

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1253 PM

 

Funny enough, the population went up in the British mandate due to immigration (both Arab and Jew) and infant mortality went down, but then what did the British ever give us anyways....... 


That was not the work of the British. That was the result of a massive and coordinated drive to redevelop the land by Jewish immigrants starting in 1887.
British contribution was, at best, a very gray subject.

 

No it was the British, they ran a efficient civil service and started the Haifa port expansion and modernization. Ottoman policies and tax policies had bankrupted the place. In example, Ottomans taxed you on how many trees you had on your property due to the "potentiel" revenue, so people ended up cutting down trees to avoid being taxed, hence deforestation of Lebanon. One of the British oddities is that Iraq briefly fell under their British India administration unit and the official currency for a short period was the Indian rupee.  


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1329 PM

Ottomans taxed you on how many trees you had on your property due to the "potentiel" revenue, so people ended up cutting down trees to avoid being taxed, hence deforestation of Lebanon.

Interestingly it was one of Nikita Khrushev's  steps  -to rise this "fruit tree tax" (that existed before him, but he sort of increased it making peasants cut their private gardens  - in theory to reduce private enterprise so typical for Stalin's era, but in long run this was among factors that resulted in USSR collapse) . At least this is common urban legend, while some people debate that https://historical-f....com/97807.html


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1429 PM


 

Funny enough, the population went up in the British mandate due to immigration (both Arab and Jew) and infant mortality went down, but then what did the British ever give us anyways....... 

That was not the work of the British. That was the result of a massive and coordinated drive to redevelop the land by Jewish immigrants starting in 1887.
British contribution was, at best, a very gray subject.
 
No it was the British, they ran a efficient civil service and started the Haifa port expansion and modernization. Ottoman policies and tax policies had bankrupted the place. In example, Ottomans taxed you on how many trees you had on your property due to the "potentiel" revenue, so people ended up cutting down trees to avoid being taxed, hence deforestation of Lebanon. One of the British oddities is that Iraq briefly fell under their British India administration unit and the official currency for a short period was the Indian rupee.  

As I said, gray at best.
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1448 PM

...Ottomans taxed you on how many trees you had on your property due to the "potentiel" revenue...

Not just that, but according how many heads of cattle, chicken or whatever you had. And horses, especially horses, one horse was taxed as much as 5 cows. Only exception were pigs, hence popularity of those in Balkans - peasants could grow pigs and sell them at a reasonable price (usually in the Austria) and then pay income taxes, which were way less than a property taxes.

Also, Turks would rarely confiscate pigs, only at the time of the greatest hardships.


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1653 PM

 

 

 

Funny enough, the population went up in the British mandate due to immigration (both Arab and Jew) and infant mortality went down, but then what did the British ever give us anyways....... 

That was not the work of the British. That was the result of a massive and coordinated drive to redevelop the land by Jewish immigrants starting in 1887.
British contribution was, at best, a very gray subject.
 
No it was the British, they ran a efficient civil service and started the Haifa port expansion and modernization. Ottoman policies and tax policies had bankrupted the place. In example, Ottomans taxed you on how many trees you had on your property due to the "potentiel" revenue, so people ended up cutting down trees to avoid being taxed, hence deforestation of Lebanon. One of the British oddities is that Iraq briefly fell under their British India administration unit and the official currency for a short period was the Indian rupee.  

As I said, gray at best.

 

Keep in mind all the nationalists needed to put down the British Empire and make themselves look good, when in doubt refer to this clip:  https://www.youtube....zEZxOsanY&t=22s


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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1710 PM

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Keep in mind all the nationalists needed to put down the British Roman Empire and make themselves look good, when in doubt refer to this clip:  https://www.youtube....zEZxOsanY&t=22s

 
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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1713 PM


 

 

 

Funny enough, the population went up in the British mandate due to immigration (both Arab and Jew) and infant mortality went down, but then what did the British ever give us anyways....... 

That was not the work of the British. That was the result of a massive and coordinated drive to redevelop the land by Jewish immigrants starting in 1887.
British contribution was, at best, a very gray subject.
 
No it was the British, they ran a efficient civil service and started the Haifa port expansion and modernization. Ottoman policies and tax policies had bankrupted the place. In example, Ottomans taxed you on how many trees you had on your property due to the "potentiel" revenue, so people ended up cutting down trees to avoid being taxed, hence deforestation of Lebanon. One of the British oddities is that Iraq briefly fell under their British India administration unit and the official currency for a short period was the Indian rupee.  
As I said, gray at best.
 
Keep in mind all the nationalists needed to put down the British Empire and make themselves look good, when in doubt refer to this clip:  
That's not entirely the case, however. It is true that the British have brought some development with them, but the majority of development was done by educated immigrants coming mostly from Europe and slavic states (they're also in Europe but have a distinct culture).

Through an organized congress and charity, they have bought lands off the British authorities, and there started building various settlements, some growing rather quickly to become cities.

The most important contribution the British had was infrastructure, in the form of bridges, roads, and military camps which the IDF later inherited.

Now, the reason I say "gray" is because the British authorities have been mostly a suppressive element against the development of new Jewish communities.
Charities were limited, and immigration was put to a halt despite the holocaust.

Britain also directly helped create a demographic change by only permitting Arab migration, which started booming as advanced agriculture was introduced by the pioneers.

Plus with a rather poor handling of the handover of lands to the succeeding authorities, it ended up creating much of the conflicts that persist to this day. It cannot be blamed for the continuation of these conflicts, but it bears some responsibility for creating a fertile ground for conflict in the critical hours of the birth of nations in the region.


Why Britain also didn't end the occupation of much of its colonies much sooner, is beyond me, especially when it was in the heat of war against an enemy with similar ambitions (albeit with very different reasons), and in the middle of the globalization process that favored trade agreements over physical occupation.

Edited by Mighty_Zuk, 14 July 2019 - 1716 PM.

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Posted 14 July 2019 - 1953 PM

Keep in mind there was two camps within the British Civil Service, the Arabists and the Zionist supporters. This led to some odd policy flip flops and to be frank the Brits would have been better off allowing more Jews in, that could have helped secure the mandate for them in WWII and reduce issues during the drawdown. Generally the Brits wanted the best for their old colonies and wanted to end on a dignified note. The nationalists like teenagers thought they could do much better and often found out that governing was a lot hard than they imagined.     


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Posted 15 July 2019 - 0358 AM

Keep in mind there was two camps within the British Civil Service, the Arabists and the Zionist supporters. This led to some odd policy flip flops and to be frank the Brits would have been better off allowing more Jews in, that could have helped secure the mandate for them in WWII and reduce issues during the drawdown. Generally the Brits wanted the best for their old colonies and wanted to end on a dignified note. The nationalists like teenagers thought they could do much better and often found out that governing was a lot hard than they imagined.     


Yeah well, their withdrawal in 1947 was not done in the most dignified way.

Anyway, back to Syria. Seeing more activity south of Idlib, and apparently a Hezbollah guy has a funeral north of Idlib. That's quite a long way from Lebanon.
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Posted 15 July 2019 - 0401 AM

So few Grach!


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Posted 15 July 2019 - 0608 AM

Nubul and al-Zahra are Shiite Syrian villages/enclaves where Hezbollah had and stil a stronghold. What is interesting is T-90 used during the procession. Waste of resources.
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Posted 15 July 2019 - 0819 AM

Nubul and al-Zahra are Shiite Syrian villages/enclaves where Hezbollah had and stil a stronghold. What is interesting is T-90 used during the procession. Waste of resources.


The Arab world is definitely not lacking in stupidly wasteful symbolism.
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Posted 15 July 2019 - 1015 AM

T-90s were given to Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba somewhere at start of Russian intervention, but I don't know the story behind. Iranian militias were significantly more influential back then, so that acquisition might not have anything to do with Russians.

Still,they would have been more useful in Tiger unit.
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Posted 15 July 2019 - 1351 PM

Nubul and al-Zahra are Shiite Syrian villages/enclaves where Hezbollah had and stil a stronghold. What is interesting is T-90 used during the procession. Waste of resources.

Rus narration in this video tell night viewing option of T-90s and modified T-72s were the key to win night battle after daylight advance failed


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