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#661 JasonJ

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 2058 PM

The three Japanese warships conducted joint-training in search and rescue with BRP Davao del Sur in the Sulu Sea off from Palawan Island on June 28th.

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#662 Nobu

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 2112 PM

No Japanese territory under illegal occupation by a foreign power that I know of in the Sulu Sea.
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Posted 29 June 2019 - 2141 PM

South Korea's lawfare campaign against Japan Inc for slave labor reparations began in earnest after North Korea's nuclear weaponization.

 

Whatever the national bird of the sons of Joseon may be, it most assuredly flocks together regardless of geography.


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Posted 29 June 2019 - 2153 PM

South Korea's lawfare campaign against Japan Inc for slave labor reparations began in earnest after North Korea's nuclear weaponization.

 

Whatever the national bird of the sons of Joseon may be, it most assuredly flocks together regardless of geography.

 

It also started when the comfort women push lost a lot of steam by 2017-2018ish. I think they are just replacing the two decade long comfort women campaign with the labor history now.

 

But still yes, despite advances of DPRK nuclear program, the Moon administration continues to take a relatively soft approach. The previous president, Park Geun-hye was generally more willing to take a stronger position vs DPRK and stand closer with the US on DPRK matters, but she got ousted out by popular demand because of shady business. I reckon that Ban Ki-moon would have been stronger on DPRK but he was seen as too near politically speaking (unfairly quite possibly) to scandal ridden Park. So the voters went to the opposition camp for someone to surely be different, thus we are stuck with liberal and soft-on-DPRK Moon Jae-in.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 0047 AM

South Korea's softness toward their brothers from the same mother in the north was to be expected.

 

Washington's was not. The results in the form of greater than ever before coordination between North and South eastward, and the emboldening of both, are continuing to develop.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 0115 AM

Although, one thing about the situation with DPRK that beckons a humble approach as to whether or not to go full maximum pressure is that turning into war. War in DPRK won't be pretty. It's a lot to ask for. I also think that while US power is very strong, US political will and treasure is not limited. The previous wars in Afghanistan and Iraq took a tool on both treasure and will. Need to be careful about when that US military might is used otherwise risk losing the grand long term geopoltics with China due to exhaustion.

 

Washington still took back some gains such as deployment of THAAD in ROK. It's a little hard to judge how effective the sanctions have been. Also a difficult point with DPRK is China's hand in which they seem to use support to DPRK as part of their negotiating hand with the US. Which would be why Xi made a big state visit to DPRK shortly before the G20. It shows that China isn't going to let DPRK fall apart from sanctions and could further help DPRK with behind the doors sanction relief or drag their fee with more DPRK BM launches like how they were dragging their feet in 2016 and 2017 with lots of US pressure to get China to go along with the UNSC sanctions.


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Posted 30 June 2019 - 1117 AM

In the span of 24 hours, Washington has backed down from its threat of 25 percent tariffs on $300 billion in Chinese imports and lifted restrictions on Huawei in exchange for a pledge by Chinese to buy some agricultural products, and restarted talks desired by Kim with North Korea in exchange for, literally, nothing.

 

What Washington will exchange Japanese national interests and security for in the future remains to be seen.


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 0840 AM

If Korea's lawfare against Japan and Japanese continues, this will not end well. Ships such as the new Maya class battle destroyers will indeed prove to be useful in various ways.

 

Is your Tojo body pillow excited now?


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Posted 01 July 2019 - 1348 PM

I'd have thought the opposite was true. But you do disapprove.
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Posted 01 July 2019 - 1949 PM

New naval relations with Russia might be the better way to go. Just buddy up with China. Can't be helped. US will be like China not long from now anyway.
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Posted 01 July 2019 - 2014 PM

Japan has now responded to Korea's lawfare campaign with sanctions targeting South Korea's lucrative led display panel industry.

 

A calculated and restrained response that will hurt, regardless. 

 

How long the pain continues is up to Korea. 


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 1859 PM

 

If Korea's lawfare against Japan and Japanese continues, this will not end well. Ships such as the new Maya class battle destroyers will indeed prove to be useful in various ways.

 

Is your Tojo body pillow excited now?

 

 

No shit, it's getting a little insufferable.


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 0930 AM

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 0958 AM

An effort that could have easily involved Australians. A silver lining otherwise in various ways.
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Posted 12 July 2019 - 1005 AM

About a week ago, Abbot expressed regret about not securing the deal with Japan.

https://mainichi.jp/...00m/0na/067000c

 

In the meantime, the new Barracuda submarine was unveiled today.

https://www.euronews...acuda-submarine


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 1215 PM

It was their choice to opt for a sales pitch rather than a multilateral defense technology partnership with Japan Inc. Decisions have consequences, as Australia and Australians are now realizing.


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 1237 PM

I hope President Trump recalls your comment if Japan isn't prepared to help escort tankers through the Gulf.


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 1244 PM

That may depend on whether Washington is prepared to renew the waiver granted to Japan to import Iranian oil in the future.


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Posted 12 July 2019 - 1849 PM

I hope President Trump recalls your comment if Japan isn't prepared to help escort tankers through the Gulf.


It it was a joint-military topic for the Asia-Pacific,then Japan would be ready. But the LDP is going to have a tough time selling the idea of risk getting entangled in an ME war. Most Japanese civilians are probably more willing to pinch pennies than be entangled in a war. While the constitution has by large been minimized by things like "collective self-defense" related defense laws passed in 2015, the constitution still exists and can it be used as a counter point by opposition parties. If Japan gets embroiled in such a war, then opposition leaders could win back at elections and undo the 2015 defense laws. That constitution was American imposed BTW.

There's another angle which is the "Japanese is remilitarizing" argument which was quite strong even just 5 years ago. But now all of a sudden, people want Japan to "militarize" and be all over the world.

Careful consideration would be helpful, that goes for Nobu's macho man take on things too of course.
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#680 Tim the Tank Nut

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Posted 12 July 2019 - 2110 PM

a token Japanese presence would have an effect on Iran all out of proportion to the vessels involved just because it would be Japanese ships.

Besides, they expect the USN and RN to help with China, there has to be a bit of give and take on the high seas.

Lastly, there is not going to be a war over this.  There are not likely to be shots to be exchanged.  Iran's economy is in melt down and everyone knows it now


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