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#61 Roman Alymov

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 0336 AM

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#62 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 0338 AM

Well the good folk of Grenfell tower are all looking for somewhere to live, so perhaps we can kill several birds with one stone. Wonder how many we could fit in Abramovich's place. :)


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#63 Roman Alymov

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 0407 AM

Well the good folk of Grenfell tower are all looking for somewhere to live, so perhaps we can kill several birds with one stone. Wonder how many we could fit in Abramovich's place. :)

I think anti-corruption and counter-intelligence services of not only Russia, but also countries from China to Nigeria would love to see this (see for example Skripal himself, who was owner of house abroad while spying in Russia - now spies will not have such luxury). Note Russian Parliament have  repeatedly turned down Communist -proposed law that ban officials from owning property abroad, so if Britts do this it will be nice and very helpful.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 0419 AM

 

Traitors tend to die young.

 

Im thinking, he probably isnt a traitor. I mean with that kind of record fighting for your country, and you suddenly turn around and spy for MI6? I dont buy it.

 

There was an intriguing thing I read the other day about the FSB and GRU relationship. Apparently in the mid 1990s, the GRU was absolutely furious to see a list of its agents being printed in the press. So they went and tracked down whom released it, and funnily enough, it turned out to be the FSB. They apparently had a less than cordial relationship at the time. Still do for that matter.

 

What if Skripal was leaking information about the FSB, not least its corrupt practices, and nothing about the GRU and the Army? In which case, it would make him more a victim of Bureaucratic infighting than a traitor. I mean, look at his house. This is not a man who got rich on espionage.Gordievsky got rich, but not this fella.

 

 

I was just quoting wisdom shared on Russian TV.


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#65 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 0752 AM

Nerve Agent. The gift that keeps on giving.

 

http://www.huffingto...4b01b9b0a3c1b35

 

Diners and pub-goers in Salisbury have been warned to wash their possessions after traces of the nerve agent used to poison ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter were found in the city. 

 

Public Health England (PHE) issued the “precautionary advice” to anyone who visited The Mill pub or the nearby Zizzi restaurant between 1.30pm last Sunday (March 4) and closing time Monday (March 5).

 

Dr Jenny Harries, PHE Deputy Medical Director, confirmed that investigators had discovered “some limited contamination” in the pub and the Italian eatery.

 

But experts reassured the public there is “no immediate health risk” to anyone who had visited the two outlets. 

 

“Anyone who visited The Mill pub or Zizzi restaurant where the two affected individuals were can be reassured that this limited exposure will not have harmed their health to date,” Harries said. 

 

“However, there may be a very small health risk associated with repeated contact with belongings which may have been contaminated by this substance.”  

Locals who visited the bar or the restaurant during the time frame have been advised to

  • Wash any clothing worn at the time 
  • Store any items which would usually be dry cleaned in two tied plastic bags, with further advice on how to clean these clothes set to be released at a later date
  • Wipe personal items such as handbags, phones and other devices with cleansing or baby wipes, which should then be binned
  • Items which cannot be cleaned in the washing machine or with baby wipes should be hand washed with warm water and detergent before being rinsed with cold water. 

“Please thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water after cleaning any items,” the advice added.

 

The warning comes after photos from Salisbury revealed that the Zizzi restaurant in the city centre - where Skripal and his daughter are believed to have dined hours before they collapsed - had been cordoned off from the public. 

The pair, who collapsed last Sunday, are still fighting for their lives after being exposed to a toxic substance. 

Meanwhile Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey - who fell seriously ill after tending to Skripal and Yulia - also remains in hospital.

 

Police said that 21 people, including members of the public and emergency staff, had been seen for medical treatment since the incident last week, which is being treated as attempted murder. 

Zizzi’s is one of a handful of locations in the city at the centre of the investigation, as well as Skripal’s house and the cemetery where his wife and son are buried.

 

There was further police activity at the London Road cemetery on Saturday, where officers in hazmat suits had removed items and covered his son’s memorial stone with a forensic tent.

Scotland Yard said that no exhumations had taken place.  

On Sunday morning, Wiltshire Police revealed they have charged a man who breached one of the cordons in the city. 

Jamie Knight, 30, from Salisbury, breached the cordon on The Maltings shopping centre - where Skripal and his daughter were found - on Friday evening.

A police spokesman said: “He was swiftly arrested and has now been charged with assaulting a police officer, common assault, criminal damage to a police vehicle and a racially aggravated public order offence.

“Robust action will be taken against anyone who breaches or interferes with any cordon or the ongoing police investigation.” 

Knight has been remanded in custody and will appear before magistrates on Monday morning, officers said.

 

The news comes as the military remains in Salisbury for a third day to aid counter-terror police with the probe. 

Soldiers were seen at the South Western Ambulance Service station on Saturday after a vehicle was winched on to the back of an Army low-loader and taken away.

Meanwhile, officers investigating the suspected nerve agent attack have identified more than 240 witnesses and 200 pieces of evidence, Home Secretary Amber Rudd said yesterday (Saturday).

 

Speaking following a meeting of the government’s emergency Cobra committee, Rudd said more than 250 officers from eight of the country’s 11 counter-terrorism units are involved in the enquiry. 

However, she said it was still too early to say who was responsible for the attack. 

“This investigation is focused on making sure that we keep people safe and also that we collect all the evidence so that when it comes to attribution (of the attack) we will be absolutely clear where it should be,” Rudd said.

She added: “There is also substantial amounts of CCTV they have to go through. This is a painstaking, detailed investigation and the police need to be given the space and time to get on with it.”

Meanwhile, the Bishop of Salisbury called the attack a “violation” of the city. 

Prayers are to be said for those affected later during services at the city’s cathedral.

The Rt Rev Nicholas Holtam told BBC Radio Solent: “There has been a violation of this place and this community and it is more than an attack on individuals.”

He said it was not helpful to speculate on who is responsible, but added: “I do assume that the number of military involved here at the moment isn’t just about making sure Salisbury’s decontaminated, but is trying to be really clear about where this nerve agent came from and how it might have been administered.”

 
 

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 0803 AM

Slowly and inexorably the political environment changes.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-43363165

Labour's Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has said he won't be making any more appearances on Kremlin-sponsored TV station Russia Today.

He said RT's coverage "goes beyond objective journalism" and it was "right", after events in Salisbury, that Labour MPs did not appear on it.

A party spokesman said: "We are keeping the issue under review".

Mr McDonnell also backed visa sanctions against Russians suspected of corruption.

Chancellor Philip Hammond suggested a deal could be reached with Labour to bring in sanctions.

But he rejected a call from the widow of murdered Alexander Litvinenko for the Conservatives to pay back more than £820,000 donated by Russian-linked business people since Prime Minister Theresa May came to power.

He told the BBC's Andrew Marr there were "very strict rules" governing donations to UK political parties.

"Only British citizens who are on the electoral register can make donations to parties" and those donations are "carefully vetted" and "reported to the Electoral Commission" he said.

"There are people in this country who are British citizens who are of Russian origin - I don't think we should taint them, we should tar them with Putin's brush.

"We should recognise that people come to this country from many places, they become British citizens, they live under UK law and they should have full participation rights in our society once they're British citizens."

It came after Marina Litvinenko warned the government: "You need to be very selective who you are friends with.

"When you allow people with money to come to your country to make a business, you need to make sure where the money has come from."

Mrs Litvinenko said the UK government's response to the murder of husband, an outspoken critics of Vladimir Putin who was fatally poisoned in 2006, had not been strong and enough and lessons had not been learned.

Mr Hammond, who was foreign secretary at the time of Mr Litvinenko's death, said "we took measures which are still in place today" but he said the Russian government continued to protect the suspects the UK wanted to extradite to stand trial for his murder.

Asked by Andrew Marr if the Russians "were laughing at us" and believed they could act without implications in the UK, he said: "Nobody is laughing at us - this is a very serious investigation that is going on and let's see where it leads us."

Labour has been under fire for some time from the Conservatives over appearances by its MPs and spokespeople on RT UK.

Mr McDonnell said he had appeared on the rolling news channel in the past to raise certain issues but he added: "I've been looking overnight... in terms of changes in coverage on Russian television, in particular, and I think we have to step back now."

He added: "I can understand why people have [appeared on RT] up until now because we have treated it like every other television station.

"We tried to be fair with them and as long as they abide by journalistic standards that are objective that's fine but it looks as if they have gone beyond that line, so yes, we will have that discussion."

He called on the government to pass a British version of the US Magnitsky Act - which punishes Russians involved in corruption - if the Kremlin is found to be behind the poisoning in Salisbury.

He said that the Labour Party had already moved amendments to the Money Laundering Bill currently going through parliament to introduce Magnitsky clauses - amendments he said were opposed by the Conservative Party.

"We hope now they'll enable us to bring those amendments back at the Report stage of the bill" he said.

Chancellor Philip Hammond said introducing Magnitsky clauses was not "strictly necessary".

"The home secretary already has the power to exclude individuals from the UK if she believes that their presence here is not conducive to the national security or the public good.

"But we're seeking to reach an accommodation with those who have put this amendment forward.

"Let's see if we can come to a proposal that works for everybody."


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 1205 PM

Report on BBC that Zizi's restaurant in Salisbury may be closed for Months. Presumably the same will be the case for the Mill Pub. The table they sat at in the resturant was reportedly so contaminated it had to be destroyed.


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#68 Adam Peter

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 1529 PM


Ive read somewhere that it can take up to an hour for nerve agents to go through the skin.

"The VX victim, whom Shoko Asahara had suspected as a spy, was attacked at 7:00 am on December 12, 1994 on the street in Osaka by Tomomitsu Niimi and another AUM member, who sprinkled the nerve agent on his neck. He chased them for about 90 metres (100 yd) before collapsing, dying 10 days later without ever coming out of a deep coma." Source

 

"Poisoning takes longer when the nerve agent enters the body through the skin. Nerve agents are more or less fat-soluble and can penetrate the outer layers of the skin. However, it takes some time before the poison reaches the deeper blood vessels. Consequently, the first symptoms do not occur until 20-30 minutes after the initial exposure but subsequently the poisoning process may be rapid if the total dose of nerve agent is high." Source


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 1535 PM

On the other hand, Russian spies who worked against the SU/Russia are killed in other countries, too? I don't find anything about this. It is mentioned in the press that other persons set free in this spy exchange are still living, unharmed.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 2320 PM

Report on BBC that Zizi's restaurant in Salisbury may be closed for Months. Presumably the same will be the case for the Mill Pub. The table they sat at in the resturant was reportedly so contaminated it had to be destroyed.

Given the hazard, I would expect that ANYTHING that's remotely organic and porous would have to be considered irrevocably contaminated. Porous inorganic surfaces could probably be decontaminated, but I can see that being not entirely 100%.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 0301 AM

On the other hand, Russian spies who worked against the SU/Russia are killed in other countries, too? I don't find anything about this. It is mentioned in the press that other persons set free in this spy exchange are still living, unharmed.

 

Well not a spy, but I can think of one off the top of my head that was possibly an assassination

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-35781333

Interestingly his son produced 'Fury' starring Brad Pitt.

 

There hasnt been any spies killed before, and it would be a hugely stupid thing to do. After all, if it hadnt been for Skripal, Anna Chapman would still be in a US prison. So next time they want a spy swap, we got and tell them where to get off, and suddenly they realize the damage they have done to themselves.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 0308 AM

 

Report on BBC that Zizi's restaurant in Salisbury may be closed for Months. Presumably the same will be the case for the Mill Pub. The table they sat at in the resturant was reportedly so contaminated it had to be destroyed.

Given the hazard, I would expect that ANYTHING that's remotely organic and porous would have to be considered irrevocably contaminated. Porous inorganic surfaces could probably be decontaminated, but I can see that being not entirely 100%.

 

 

Guess we can probably kiss goodbye to the park bench then. Happily the Pet Rabbits got a bit luckier.

https://www.spirefm....-police-cordon/

 

There is a report on Skynews that Theresa May is 'close' to blaming Russia for the crime, but I wont link it. Personally im dissatisfied with the UK media and their handling of this for the most part. Its such an important story and with so few details, its notable they have been doing a lot of filling in. One report on sky showed what was apparent video footage of the 2 people with an unidentified 3rd. What they didnt notice, and was self evident, is that they woman they identified as Yulia Skripal has a dog, of which there has been no mention anywhere in the reports. It was the wrong people.

 

So personally Ill hold off linking anything that suggests any such thing, till it IS announced. Theresa May is having a National Security Council meeting Today, so perhaps we will know more then.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1226 PM

Well, now its official. it was from the Novichok range of Battlefield Nerve weapons, and it was probably the Russian Government that did it.

https://news.sky.com...eeting-11286994

 

Government has demanded to know what has happened from the Russian Ambassador by Tomorrow. The conclusion is, either Russia did it, or they have lost control of their chemical weapons stocks.

 

Just in case anyone is interested of course. Im sure Battlefield Chemical weapons get used on the streets of Europe and America every day of the week.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1231 PM


Just in case anyone is interested of course. Im sure Battlefield Chemical weapons get used on the streets of Europe and America every day of the week.

Let me remind you there is significant difference between "Battlefield Chemical weapons get used" and "UK Government claim Battlefield Chemical weapons get used". Here we have latter case - just as Iraq WMD, Syria chemical attacks and so on.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1239 PM

There are plenty factions that could have access to small amounts of such agents and use them to harm Russia, Ukranians for example,


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1240 PM

Here is the BBC's take on it.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43377856

 

A former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned by a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia, Theresa May has told MPs.

The prime minister said the government had concluded it was "highly likely" that Russia was responsible for the attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury on 4 March.

She said Russia's ambassador in London had been summoned to explain whether it was "a direct action by the Russian state" or the result of it "losing control" of its stock of nerve agents.

The chemical used in the attack, the PM said, has been identified as being part of a group of nerve agents known as "Novichok".

Mrs May said Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson had told the ambassador Moscow must "immediately provide full and complete disclosure" of the Novichok programme to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.

She said the UK would consider his response before deciding what action to take, but added: "Should there be no credible response, we will conclude that this action amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state against the United Kingdom."

Sixty-six-year-old retired military intelligence officer Sergei Skripal and his daughter, 33, were found slumped on a bench in Salisbury city centre. They remain in a critical but stable condition.

Det Sgt Nick Bailey, who fell ill attending the pair, remains seriously ill in hospital but has been talking to his family.

 

Addressing the Commons following a meeting of the Government's National Security Council, Mrs May told MPs the positive identification of this chemical agent was made by experts at the UK's Porton Down laboratory.

She said Russia has previously produced the agent and would still be capable of doing so.

The decision to point the finger at Moscow was based on "Russia's record of conducting state-sponsored assassinations and our assessment that Russia views some defectors as legitimate targets for assassinations", the PM added.

Police activity continued on Monday afternoon, with officers - some wearing hazardous materials suits- removing a white van from the village of Winterslow, about six miles from Salisbury.

A Sainsbury's car park in Salisbury was also sealed off by police.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1245 PM

There are plenty factions that could have access to small amounts of such agents and use them to harm Russia, Ukranians for example,

 

One might well ask, if the Ukrainians had nerve gas, why didnt they use it when their country was invaded by Russia? Or indeed, if they wanted to get support from NATO, why they waited 4 years before using it on elements in the UK to gain support, rather that at the point, in 2014, when it might have done them some good?

 

Nice try through.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1248 PM

Well the Russians are known to actively kill people in other countries, in particular Britain, so the much simpler solution is that they just did it again, rather than blaming the grand Ukrainian conspiracy.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1256 PM

For my fellow Brits, may I say this officially, after Jeremy Corbyn's response to the Government, he is now quite clearly a complete cock.

 

I just had to get off my chest.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 1257 PM

Will the UK invoke article five?  Because if they are right then it was an act of war from Russia's part, and it was an attack on a NATO member.

 

Reminds of this really.

 


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