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#381 Rick

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Posted 21 January 2020 - 0446 AM

A this time, any country who has the ability to produce nuclear weapons can do so, and there really isn't anything anyone can do about it.


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#382 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 21 January 2020 - 0535 AM

Well there is, if we got off our fat asses and started a nuclear buildown till we all have a handful each. You dont need any more for deterrence purposes. At that point we get serious about negotiating them out of existence.

 

We came within an ace of it happening in 1986, and we blew it. We may never get that chance again. And we really need to get rid of them. This is the century in which I increasingly think they are going to be used again, its matter of not if, but when.


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#383 Nobu

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Posted 21 January 2020 - 1500 PM

it will probably be by a non-state actor that manages to obtain one from a non-UNSC P5 member for blackmail purposes.

 

Allowing India, Pakistan, Israel, and North Korea to break the NPT system will continue to encourage others to do so.


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Posted 22 January 2020 - 1603 PM

it will probably be by a non-state actor that manages to obtain one from a non-UNSC P5 member for blackmail purposes.

 

Allowing India, Pakistan, Israel, and North Korea to break the NPT system will continue to encourage others to do so.


NORK: "We're not exactly sure how that nuke was "lost" and ended up in the hands of a radical extremist non-state actor, found itself on a container ship and detonated in your port.... but rest assured the security of our stockpile has been reviewed and improved so it's unlikely to ever happen again.  If you nuke us in retaliation, you're just being mean to the people who weren't the problem and the UN says that's a human rights violation so... you know, no good answer here"
 


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#385 Chris Werb

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1154 AM

You can't put the genie back in the bottle.


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#386 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1230 PM

I'm not so sure. Japan managed to ban firearms for over 100 years after they recognised it meant the end of the existing social order. Few societies have extant chemical or bio weapons programs, for precisely the same reason.
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#387 Chris Werb

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Posted 24 January 2020 - 1324 PM

I'm not so sure. Japan managed to ban firearms for over 100 years after they recognised it meant the end of the existing social order. Few societies have extant chemical or bio weapons programs, for precisely the same reason.

 

It's a bit different banning something inside a closed, tightly ordered society and the entire world. Also, those countries that do have chemical and bio weapons programs keep them because they give them a huge advantage over countries that don't have them who have the unenviable choice between just letting the stuff rain down on them or going nuclear. It's the same to a limited extent with AP landmines and to a far greater extent with cluster weapons - we rushed to ban both, but our most likely opposition went on to even further emphasise the latter and may well retain the former. We have no way of knowing.


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