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#1 shep854

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 0900 AM

What are the guidelines on beret wear in the Royal Navy?  I was a bit surprised to see them in videos, but cannot find any information on wear protocols.

 


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#2 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 0903 AM

Its a good question, ive no idea either. Ive even noticed some of the Daring Class Crews wear US Navy style baseball caps, which look bloody awful to my eyes.

https://www.amazon.c...=royal navy cap


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1047 AM

Yes, I have seen ball caps in other navies as well. At least it has a degree of functionality.
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1050 AM

If you are playing Baseball. :)


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1117 AM

Wiki seems to not quite be up to date, but does cover the introduction of a new No.4 dress (stop giggling at the back there) which includes the beret.

Itnotes that Daring was one of the vessels selected to trial the new uniform, which might explain Stuart's sightings, perhaps with the baseball cap not making it to final selection?
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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1215 PM

Oh God, I hope they rejected it. I kept having visions of the Crew of HMS Torrin all lined up before Captain Noel Coward in Baseball Caps. It just didnt work....


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1240 PM

If you are playing Baseball. :)

 

And only if the sun is in front of you.  The boonie cap has always been far more functional.  I always wish I could have worn one when I was serving.


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Posted 17 January 2019 - 1940 PM

So, were berets a sort of personal work wear?  What I remember was captains wearing them on the bridge.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0321 AM

RN have worn berets for decades.

It's an alternative to caps in No.3 dress and the principle option in No.4 dress (working uniform). Some organisations mandate berets for 3s, e.g. FOST sea-riders.

Baseball caps are authorised for wear with 4s at sea but not ashore or alongside.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0334 AM

There is some ive seen on documentaries with what appears to be the Ships name on the front, but its not very clear here.

 

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0600 AM

The crest on the hat looks like it is HMS Daring.

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#12 Stuart Galbraith

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0615 AM

Yeah, it says so on the Shoulder pad, but the writing is considerably smaller on that hat.

 

Maybe its impractical, but at least for officer's I still prefer the wartime ones that had the white top you could remove in blackout conditions. Not particularly useful these days I suppose.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0642 AM

I tried to edit my post but the edit wouldn't take (not the first time this has happened). Then tried a new post for the edit and was told post was to short . :(


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0643 AM

All this sounds very familiar. :)

 

Daring has a badass badge. Id never taken it on board before.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0747 AM

Maybe its impractical, but at least for officer's I still prefer the wartime ones that had the white top you could remove in blackout conditions. Not particularly useful these days I suppose.


Discontinued in 1956.

Whether the white cover was required to be worn depended on location and/or time of year - tropical or temperate uniform, summer or winter? Then they changed it to wear the white cover year round and the white "cover" became the actual top of the cap with no underlying dark material.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0758 AM

 

Maybe its impractical, but at least for officer's I still prefer the wartime ones that had the white top you could remove in blackout conditions. Not particularly useful these days I suppose.


Discontinued in 1956.

Whether the white cover was required to be worn depended on location and/or time of year - tropical or temperate uniform, summer or winter? Then they changed it to wear the white cover year round and the white "cover" became the actual top of the cap with no underlying dark material.

 

 

You are probably right. I assumed it was removed for black out conditions because they seemingly did it at night in 'The Cruel Sea'. Though your explanation makes rather more sense.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0841 AM

RN have worn berets for decades.

It's an alternative to caps in No.3 dress and the principle option in No.4 dress (working uniform). Some organisations mandate berets for 3s, e.g. FOST sea-riders.

Baseball caps are authorised for wear with 4s at sea but not ashore or alongside.

Thanks!  Would you post links with more details for this ignorant Colonial? :)


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 0915 AM

Thanks!  Would you post links with more details for this ignorant Colonial? :)

The current regulations are available online: https://www.royalnav...contents/part-6

Quote below is for beret with 3s.

Notes:
1. Wearing of Berets is optional only on the following occasions:
a. When travelling to or from units and/or whereby a cap or tricorn
hat may suffer damage in one's luggage.
b. By FOST or FLOTILLA Staff in the course of their duties
c. At Air Stations if the wearing of caps is deemed unsafe or
inappropriate
d. At CO's discretion when deemed appropriate
2. The routine wearing of berets with No.3 uniform around Shore
Establishments is not permitted.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 1316 PM

tricorn? Are those still worn in the RN? :blink:


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 1357 PM

tricorn? Are those still worn in the RN? :blink:

 

I believe that the female officer's ceremonial headgear is technically considered a tricorn.

 

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